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Wyrdness said:
Shiken said:

Those are also not at all the same.  It ran games exactly the same but was either smaller form factor or added color.

The NEW 3DS has games that cannot be run on the 3DS like Xenoblade 3D and all SNES classics.  It also boosts the performance a good bit for more demanding games.  Hyrule Warriors for example ran at a solid 30 fps on the NEW 3DS while the base 3DS XL chugged at around 20 fps.  A far cry from what any of those you mentioned were.

A new SKU =/= an entirely new device with different specs and performance.  There is a lot more that goes into it than that.

GBC had an entire library of games that could only run on it so he's right in that sense as the platform was significantly more capable than the normal GB more so than the N3DS to the normal 3DS.

Then I stand corrected on that front.  I thought that GBC games would work on a regular GB, just without the color.  I fact checked it and it is true that a regular GB cannot play GBC games, or at least most of them as there were a few that were designed to work on both.

On that note however, it does show that Nintendo has already done an upgrade similar to what I am predicting...or one cycle anyway.  Kind of makes me feel even stronger about my prediction.

Though this was a long time ago and their actions then cannot for sure translate to how they would handle things now, so at this point only time will tell.



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Shiken said:

Then I stand corrected on that front.  I thought that GBC games would work on a regular GB, just without the color.  I fact checked it and it is true that a regular GB cannot play GBC games, or at least most of them as there were a few that were designed to work on both.

On that note however, it does show that Nintendo has already done an upgrade similar to what I am predicting...or one cycle anyway.  Kind of makes me feel even stronger about my prediction.

Though this was a long time ago and their actions then cannot for sure translate to how they would handle things now, so at this point only time will tell.

You have to keep in mind GBC was released 9 years after GB first was released that is a different scenario to the pro model one people are touting with Switch unless you're saying Nintendo will do the same with Switch and let it have it's full life before any such model arrives then ok, GBC was handled as a successor as a result and was easier for people to move onto the new model as it was seen as a pseudo successor as the leap was like new gen anyway adding four more years to the GB line before the GBA succeeded it.



Honestly there is no benefit to do small iterations.

Nintendo are on a winner with the switch they should hang out as long as possible before they release a switch 2, Even if its 3-5 more years.

They need to wait for technology to advance far enough where they can somewhat bridge the gap slowly to Sony and Microsoft. They can't keep playing catch up all the time with mini jumps. Only jump to a new system early if a system fails, like the WiiU.

PS5/XBOXXXXX will be what 12TFLOPS each? What benefit is there to release a switch in 2021? If wont even come close to the TFLOPS. PS4 Pro is what 4TFOPS? what could Nintendo possible release in 2021 that would even match that from a portable/docked perspective? It is a waste of time disturbing a eco system that is functioning. 

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Wyrdness said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

So, your main argument is all about sales. I think that those people who got so called upgrade consoles and willing to spend money on them will disagree with your point about these consoles being unneeded investments from console maker's side. I think that all those people who upgraded from PS4 to Pro, from Xbox One to X and from 3DS to N3DS are quite happy that they have a choice to buy a better hardware.

As pointed out N3DS variant is the only available model of 3DS so ofcourse it'll be the model of choice this goes against the point he's trying to make on having multiple models on the market also show us how well having a X1X model has impacted its position in the market with the competition go on

Right now those people you and him are on about barely make any difference to the outcome of the market in the long run which is the whole point.

Well, this kinda shows that you seem to be caring more about companies rather than consumers (gamers). All the so-called upgraded consoles are a benefit to the consumers. You tend to use X1X as an example of "unneeded" SKU. Of course it didn't have a huge impact on overall console sales performance, but I doubt that any person who bought it will say it was "unneeded". The same can be applied even to Switch Lite maybe. The original Switch SKU is still the best selling by a lot even despite being more expensive. So, judging by your logic - Switch Lite was unneeded SKU. Because it didn't really have a huge impact on Nintendo's position on the market. Switch would have been extremely successful even without it. But, Switch Lite still exists, because choices. And yeah, N3DS wasn't the only available model of 3DS when it came out. 2DS was selling alongside it which was basically a core 3DS in a different form factor. Then, they were both simultaneously  replaced by New 2DS - the latest model which is a 3DS-like form factor but without 3D.



 

derpysquirtle64 said:

Well, this kinda shows that you seem to be caring more about companies rather than consumers (gamers). All the so-called upgraded consoles are a benefit to the consumers. You tend to use X1X as an example of "unneeded" SKU. Of course it didn't have a huge impact on overall console sales performance, but I doubt that any person who bought it will say it was "unneeded". The same can be applied even to Switch Lite maybe. The original Switch SKU is still the best selling by a lot even despite being more expensive. So, judging by your logic - Switch Lite was unneeded SKU. Because it didn't really have a huge impact on Nintendo's position on the market. Switch would have been extremely successful even without it. But, Switch Lite still exists, because choices. And yeah, N3DS wasn't the only available model of 3DS when it came out. 2DS was selling alongside it which was basically a core 3DS in a different form factor. Then, they were both simultaneously  replaced by New 2DS - the latest model which is a 3DS-like form factor but without 3D.

No dude it's not caring about companies it's acknowledging that a company has to do what they need to exist first before adhering to the minority on a forum that's how reality works companies aren't out there to fulfill every little daydream someone has they're operating a business with the aim of staying around for as long as possible and you know what that means not taking any unneeded actions that yields little to no return this is why the people you and him are harping on about barely even matter as far as Nintendo is concerned because that approach has no significant benefit for them.

Your Switch lite comment highlights you not only didn't read prior posts as I used it as an example of why the pro model is less likely but don't really understand why it was brought out it's an sku to sell more than one Switch to a household like what portables have done for decades OG Switch is viable for that as it's designed to be a console in the house so the Lite is there to cover that option the Lite actually has a business application to it being around the premium model you and some others are touting doesn't it's far deeper than being a choice like you think. This is why the Lite has had an impact and the likes of X1X didn't the former has fundamental reasoning for its creation the latter didn't and is just a choice for a select group of people who have little to no impact in the grand scheme of things, the difference this makes is that the choice doesn't give people a reason to buy it while the former does i.e have an extra NS in the house for the kids or partner to play for themselves.

To put it simply for anyone when you speculate what a company should do you have to look at it from the company's perspective because that tells you more about whether it makes sense for a company to do a said action.



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Cobretti2 said:

Honestly there is no benefit to do small iterations.

Nintendo are on a winner with the switch they should hang out as long as possible before they release a switch 2, Even if its 3-5 more years.

They need to wait for technology to advance far enough where they can somewhat bridge the gap slowly to Sony and Microsoft. They can't keep playing catch up all the time with mini jumps. Only jump to a new system early if a system fails, like the WiiU.

PS5/XBOXXXXX will be what 12TFLOPS each? What benefit is there to release a switch in 2021? If wont even come close to the TFLOPS. PS4 Pro is what 4TFOPS? what could Nintendo possible release in 2021 that would even match that from a portable/docked perspective? It is a waste of time disturbing a eco system that is functioning. 

Exactly.

2021 will probably just see a premium Switch for people who want the best Switch experience and don't mind still buying a full priced Switch years after its launch. OG Switch will be discounted and Lite will be cheap for portable-only players. Then probably in 2023 Nintendo should be able to release a Switch 2 that is a significant upgrade that can at the very least run Pro/X games without a problem.



Cobretti2 said:

Honestly there is no benefit to do small iterations.

Nintendo are on a winner with the switch they should hang out as long as possible before they release a switch 2, Even if its 3-5 more years.

They need to wait for technology to advance far enough where they can somewhat bridge the gap slowly to Sony and Microsoft. They can't keep playing catch up all the time with mini jumps. Only jump to a new system early if a system fails, like the WiiU.

PS5/XBOXXXXX will be what 12TFLOPS each? What benefit is there to release a switch in 2021? If wont even come close to the TFLOPS. PS4 Pro is what 4TFOPS? what could Nintendo possible release in 2021 that would even match that from a portable/docked perspective? It is a waste of time disturbing a eco system that is functioning. 

In 2022 it should be very easy to surpass the ps4's ram and cpu while also matching the x1x's gpu raw power in docked mode.



Slownenberg said:
Cobretti2 said:

Honestly there is no benefit to do small iterations.

Nintendo are on a winner with the switch they should hang out as long as possible before they release a switch 2, Even if its 3-5 more years.

They need to wait for technology to advance far enough where they can somewhat bridge the gap slowly to Sony and Microsoft. They can't keep playing catch up all the time with mini jumps. Only jump to a new system early if a system fails, like the WiiU.

PS5/XBOXXXXX will be what 12TFLOPS each? What benefit is there to release a switch in 2021? If wont even come close to the TFLOPS. PS4 Pro is what 4TFOPS? what could Nintendo possible release in 2021 that would even match that from a portable/docked perspective? It is a waste of time disturbing a eco system that is functioning. 

Exactly.

2021 will probably just see a premium Switch for people who want the best Switch experience and don't mind still buying a full priced Switch years after its launch. OG Switch will be discounted and Lite will be cheap for portable-only players. Then probably in 2023 Nintendo should be able to release a Switch 2 that is a significant upgrade that can at the very least run Pro/X games without a problem.

What benefit will a premium offer? The games are already optimised for the OG Switch. It is not like Doom will suddenly be less blurry. It is a waste of time. Nintendo gamers don't care about artificial mid gen jumps. They never have. If anything, Nintendo gamer will care more about improved hardware from a sense of joycons, build quality and a longer lasting battery then slightly beefed up horsepower.



 

 

Nu-13 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Honestly there is no benefit to do small iterations.

Nintendo are on a winner with the switch they should hang out as long as possible before they release a switch 2, Even if its 3-5 more years.

They need to wait for technology to advance far enough where they can somewhat bridge the gap slowly to Sony and Microsoft. They can't keep playing catch up all the time with mini jumps. Only jump to a new system early if a system fails, like the WiiU.

PS5/XBOXXXXX will be what 12TFLOPS each? What benefit is there to release a switch in 2021? If wont even come close to the TFLOPS. PS4 Pro is what 4TFOPS? what could Nintendo possible release in 2021 that would even match that from a portable/docked perspective? It is a waste of time disturbing a eco system that is functioning. 

In 2022 it should be very easy to surpass the ps4's ram and cpu while also matching the x1x's gpu raw power in docked mode.

With what exactly? What would the portable mode run at? 



 

 

Wyrdness said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Well, this kinda shows that you seem to be caring more about companies rather than consumers (gamers). All the so-called upgraded consoles are a benefit to the consumers. You tend to use X1X as an example of "unneeded" SKU. Of course it didn't have a huge impact on overall console sales performance, but I doubt that any person who bought it will say it was "unneeded". The same can be applied even to Switch Lite maybe. The original Switch SKU is still the best selling by a lot even despite being more expensive. So, judging by your logic - Switch Lite was unneeded SKU. Because it didn't really have a huge impact on Nintendo's position on the market. Switch would have been extremely successful even without it. But, Switch Lite still exists, because choices. And yeah, N3DS wasn't the only available model of 3DS when it came out. 2DS was selling alongside it which was basically a core 3DS in a different form factor. Then, they were both simultaneously  replaced by New 2DS - the latest model which is a 3DS-like form factor but without 3D.

No dude it's not caring about companies it's acknowledging that a company has to do what they need to exist first before adhering to the minority on a forum that's how reality works companies aren't out there to fulfill every little daydream someone has they're operating a business with the aim of staying around for as long as possible and you know what that means not taking any unneeded actions that yields little to no return this is why the people you and him are harping on about barely even matter as far as Nintendo is concerned because that approach has no significant benefit for them.

Your Switch lite comment highlights you not only didn't read prior posts as I used it as an example of why the pro model is less likely but don't really understand why it was brought out it's an sku to sell more than one Switch to a household like what portables have done for decades OG Switch is viable for that as it's designed to be a console in the house so the Lite is there to cover that option the Lite actually has a business application to it being around the premium model you and some others are touting doesn't it's far deeper than being a choice like you think. This is why the Lite has had an impact and the likes of X1X didn't the former has fundamental reasoning for its creation the latter didn't and is just a choice for a select group of people who have little to no impact in the grand scheme of things, the difference this makes is that the choice doesn't give people a reason to buy it while the former does i.e have an extra NS in the house for the kids or partner to play for themselves.

To put it simply for anyone when you speculate what a company should do you have to look at it from the company's perspective because that tells you more about whether it makes sense for a company to do a said action.

So you think that just because the situation on the market hasn't changed in favor of Microsoft, they haven't benefitted from releasing One X in any way from business side of things? Okay, then