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Wyrdness said:
Ljink96 said:

Nintendo, contrary to popular belief, is not a company that's known for doing new things. They take existing technology and make it practical. That's where I'm going to leave this conversation. Hybrid consoles aren't new, they were around since the 90's...Nintendo just made it more practical. Touch screens had been around before the DS...Nintendo just made it more practical. Motion controls were around before the Wii...Nintendo just made it more practical. I'm all for Nintendo making existing technology more practical mixed with their timeless IP, but let's not act like what they're doing is "new". And I'm totally fine with that. 

Doing something new doesn't mean you only use new things existing technology has many uses an example was with the DS where touch screens were around for ages but no one really found a use for them until the DS showed the potential of the tech this is what caused Apple to bring out the iPod touch and iPhone so that's a false notion that they don't do anything new they've been doing new things for ages raising the bar and finding practical executions is doing something new as it opens up the potential for more it's like in sports you still pass the ball and such to score it doesn't stop utilizing a new kind of formation from being new. Do you have examples of pre-switch hybrid consoles?

Nu-13 said:
Ljink96 said:

Nintendo, contrary to popular belief, is not a company that's known for doing new things. Especially when it comes to hardware. They take existing technology and make it practical. That's where I'm going to leave this conversation. Hybrid consoles aren't new, they were around since the 90's...Nintendo just made it more practical. Touch screens had been around before the DS...Nintendo just made it more practical. Motion controls were around before the Wii...Nintendo just made it more practical. I'm all for Nintendo making existing technology more practical mixed with their timeless IP, but let's not act like what they're doing is "new". And I'm totally fine with that. 

All of that is doing something new. One doesn't need to create the technology to do something new.

lol, making something more widely used doesn't make that technology new. Guys come on. When I talk about something being new I'm talking about it at its base level as something that's really totally new. New in every sense of the word as in "not existing before". Touch screens existed before DS, Motion Controls existed before Wii, Hybrids existed before Switch. I mean, this can't be too hard of a concept to grasp. The "new" you guys are referring to is making it practical like I've sad numerous times before. 

If you have to ask me to give examples of past hybrid consoles then, no harm done...probably shouldn't be in this conversation. 

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Ljink96 said:
Wyrdness said:

Doing something new doesn't mean you only use new things existing technology has many uses an example was with the DS where touch screens were around for ages but no one really found a use for them until the DS showed the potential of the tech this is what caused Apple to bring out the iPod touch and iPhone so that's a false notion that they don't do anything new they've been doing new things for ages raising the bar and finding practical executions is doing something new as it opens up the potential for more it's like in sports you still pass the ball and such to score it doesn't stop utilizing a new kind of formation from being new. Do you have examples of pre-switch hybrid consoles?

Nu-13 said:

All of that is doing something new. One doesn't need to create the technology to do something new.

lol, making something more widely used doesn't make that technology new. Guys come on. When I talk about something being new I'm talking about it at its base level as something that's really totally new. New in every sense of the word as in "not existing before". Touch screens existed before DS, Motion Controls existed before Wii, Hybrids existed before Switch. I mean, this can't be too hard of a concept to grasp. The "new" you guys are referring to is making it practical like I've sad numerous times before. 

If you have to ask me to give examples of past hybrid consoles then, no harm done...probably shouldn't be in this conversation. 

Except objectively they are doing something new regardless of how you choose to see it as the was no Wiimote before they did it, the was no hybrid form factor before they did it, the was no device like the DS before they did etc... You know what that means? They were new using anything in a new way is doing something new you're not arguing about doing something new your logic is now based on inventing something new which is a different concept entirely to innovation which is doing something new.

I asked to give an example of a device like the Switch to support your claim as so far I've found nothing of the sort if you can't give any examples then I have to take this claim as being false.



Wyrdness said:
Ljink96 said:

lol, making something more widely used doesn't make that technology new. Guys come on. When I talk about something being new I'm talking about it at its base level as something that's really totally new. New in every sense of the word as in "not existing before". Touch screens existed before DS, Motion Controls existed before Wii, Hybrids existed before Switch. I mean, this can't be too hard of a concept to grasp. The "new" you guys are referring to is making it practical like I've sad numerous times before. 

If you have to ask me to give examples of past hybrid consoles then, no harm done...probably shouldn't be in this conversation. 

Except objectively they are doing something new regardless of how you choose to see it as the was no Wiimote before they did it, the was no hybrid form factor before they did it, the was no device like the DS before they did etc... You know what that means? They were new using anything in a new way is doing something new you're not arguing about doing something new your logic is now based on inventing something new which is a different concept entirely to innovation which is doing something new.

I asked to give an example of a device like the Switch to support your claim as so far I've found nothing of the sort if you can't give any examples then I have to take this claim as being false.

Haha, okay. I can't waste my time. 



I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with the Switch concept and name moving forward, considering how successful Switch is. I suspect we could see Switch 2 as early as 2021. 1st party games will likely release on both Switch 1 and Switch 2 for a few years, but 3rd party devs will have the option of releasing on Switch 2 only. That is the only way that Switch can keep getting 3rd party ports after development moves to PS5 and XSX. Switch 1 will just be too weak for it to be worth it for 3rd party devs to downgrade PS5/XSX games to run on Switch 1, but a Switch 2 that is close to XB1/PS4 specs might just be able to keep getting 3rd party multiplat support next gen. 

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shikamaru317 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with the Switch concept and name moving forward, considering how successful Switch is. I suspect we could see Switch 2 as early as 2021. 1st party games will likely release on both Switch 1 and Switch 2 for a few years, but 3rd party devs will have the option of releasing on Switch 2 only. That is the only way that Switch can keep getting 3rd party ports after development moves to PS5 and XSX. Switch 1 will just be too weak for it to be worth it for 3rd party devs to downgrade PS5/XSX games to run on Switch 1, but a Switch 2 that is close to XB1/PS4 specs might just be able to keep getting 3rd party multiplat support next gen. 

They are not releasing a successor after only 4-4.5 years, Switch isnt Wii U.

Just because AAA support will drop (already low to begin with) does not mean support will be bad.

The majority of support comes from indies, Japanese games, previous gen ports/remasters, retro titles, family/casual titles, free to play titles, etc. In other words A-AA titles and these type of games arent at risk of leaving by any notable amount.

How many day and date AAA games have come to Switch? Most are very late, outsourced ports so Switch could still get some downported PS4/XBO games.



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zorg1000 said:
shikamaru317 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with the Switch concept and name moving forward, considering how successful Switch is. I suspect we could see Switch 2 as early as 2021. 1st party games will likely release on both Switch 1 and Switch 2 for a few years, but 3rd party devs will have the option of releasing on Switch 2 only. That is the only way that Switch can keep getting 3rd party ports after development moves to PS5 and XSX. Switch 1 will just be too weak for it to be worth it for 3rd party devs to downgrade PS5/XSX games to run on Switch 1, but a Switch 2 that is close to XB1/PS4 specs might just be able to keep getting 3rd party multiplat support next gen. 

They are not releasing a successor after only 4-4.5 years, Switch isnt Wii U.

Just because AAA support will drop (already low to begin with) does not mean support will be bad.

The majority of support comes from indies, Japanese games, previous gen ports/remasters, retro titles, family/casual titles, free to play titles, etc. In other words A-AA titles and these type of games arent at risk of leaving by any notable amount.

How many day and date AAA games have come to Switch? Most are very late, outsourced ports so Switch could still get some downported PS4/XBO games.

I don't think it will be a true successor though, something closer to a Pro console or a half gen step; think New Nintendo 3DS in terms of support, but with a bigger graphical leap over Switch 1 than New 3DS was over 3DS. Switch 1 will keep getting 1st and 2nd party support for years, the games will just have higher graphics versions on the Switch Pro/2. There will also be alot of JP 3rd party devs and indie devs that choose to continue supporting Switch 1 due to the large install base there that they won't want to ignore. 3rd party AAA western devs will just have the option of releasing only on the Pro/2, since Switch 1 ports just won't be financially feasible for them once development moves to XSX/PS5 as a baseline.

There is some evidence that suggests that Nintendo is working on something like I'm describing for 2021 or 2022. For instance they were hiring for a programmer with experience using an engine that isn't even compatible with Switch, due to Switch being below the minimum requirements for the engine. There have also been reports of Nintendo making a deal with Sharp to buy some of their high quality mobile displays, far higher quality than what is being used on Switch currently. Something is in the works for the near future, that is for sure. 

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I agree the hybrid situation is here to stay. And I agree at least the next system will have Switch branding. Definitely don't think there will be regular iterations and Nintendo will turn the Switch into a PC type situation where you have all different level models. That is messy and I don't think anyone wants that. Video game systems are nice because you don't have to worry about that - you get a game for a system and you know it will run on it. There will be continue clear leaps from gen to gen, not merely upgrades to the original Switch. But the Switch concept will stay (though honestly I'm gonna only predict this for the next gen, I don't even wanna try to predict where video game systems might go a decade from now).

I think all Switch systems will be backwards compatible though yeah, but really like I said this just refers to the next generation. 10 years from now maybe it will be possible for Nintendo to be able to do something totally new and groundbreaking. Ya know like maybe it'll just be a lightweight pair of VR glasses, or maybe it'll just be a streaming service and a controller you buy like Stadia but done well, who the heck knows!

But for as long as "traditional" systems continue to exist yeah I think Nintendo will stick with the hybrid Switch concept and the Switch brand, full backwards compatibiity, but with clear generations.

I really hope the Nintendo online VC service next gen is just a continuation of the current one. I mean it doesn't make any sense to rebuild some retro games service, that would be bad for customers and cost Nintendo money. Now that they have a great VC model (much better than the VC from the Wii) it makes sense for them to just keep adding to it with more systems and games. A netflix of retro video games that continues across console generations.

I think Nintendo has found the perfect console setup, next gen I expect a Switch 2 with more power, backwards compatibility, the same membership VC service, hopefully much improved online play, some refinements and improvements to the hardware, and possibly the ability to do VR with it.



shikamaru317 said:
zorg1000 said:

They are not releasing a successor after only 4-4.5 years, Switch isnt Wii U.

Just because AAA support will drop (already low to begin with) does not mean support will be bad.

The majority of support comes from indies, Japanese games, previous gen ports/remasters, retro titles, family/casual titles, free to play titles, etc. In other words A-AA titles and these type of games arent at risk of leaving by any notable amount.

How many day and date AAA games have come to Switch? Most are very late, outsourced ports so Switch could still get some downported PS4/XBO games.

I don't think it will be a true successor though, something closer to a Pro console or a half gen step; think New Nintendo 3DS in terms of support, but with a bigger graphical leap over Switch 1 than New 3DS was over 3DS. Switch 1 will keep getting 1st and 2nd party support for years, the games will just have higher graphics versions on the Switch Pro/2. There will also be alot of JP 3rd party devs and indie devs that choose to continue supporting Switch 1 due to the large install base there that they won't want to ignore. 3rd party AAA western devs will just have the option of releasing only on the Pro/2, since Switch 1 ports just won't be financial feasible for them once development moves to XSX/PS5 as a baseline.

There is some evidence that suggests that Nintendo is working on something like I'm describing for 2021 or 2022.

That's an even worse idea. By the time this Switch Pro releases in 2021 the original model & Lite will have sold 70+ million so why would anybody release games exclusively for that model?



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shikamaru317 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with the Switch concept and name moving forward, considering how successful Switch is. I suspect we could see Switch 2 as early as 2021. 1st party games will likely release on both Switch 1 and Switch 2 for a few years, but 3rd party devs will have the option of releasing on Switch 2 only. That is the only way that Switch can keep getting 3rd party ports after development moves to PS5 and XSX. Switch 1 will just be too weak for it to be worth it for 3rd party devs to downgrade PS5/XSX games to run on Switch 1, but a Switch 2 that is close to XB1/PS4 specs might just be able to keep getting 3rd party multiplat support next gen. 

People really need to forget this idea that switch is in any hurry because of the ps5 and xsx. Both will be much more expensive than a switch and it won't be untill 2022 that multiplats development fully move away from ps4 as the base. By that point the switch 2 will be coming anyway and that's the system that will compete with those.



zorg1000 said:
shikamaru317 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they stick with the Switch concept and name moving forward, considering how successful Switch is. I suspect we could see Switch 2 as early as 2021. 1st party games will likely release on both Switch 1 and Switch 2 for a few years, but 3rd party devs will have the option of releasing on Switch 2 only. That is the only way that Switch can keep getting 3rd party ports after development moves to PS5 and XSX. Switch 1 will just be too weak for it to be worth it for 3rd party devs to downgrade PS5/XSX games to run on Switch 1, but a Switch 2 that is close to XB1/PS4 specs might just be able to keep getting 3rd party multiplat support next gen. 

They are not releasing a successor after only 4-4.5 years, Switch isnt Wii U.

Just because AAA support will drop (already low to begin with) does not mean support will be bad.

The majority of support comes from indies, Japanese games, previous gen ports/remasters, retro titles, family/casual titles, free to play titles, etc. In other words A-AA titles and these type of games arent at risk of leaving by any notable amount.

How many day and date AAA games have come to Switch? Most are very late, outsourced ports so Switch could still get some downported PS4/XBO games.

Yeah agreed. Expect Switch 2 in 2023, Nintendo isn't gonna try to kill off loads of free profit by releasing a new system well before Switch is ready to go. AAA support is on Switch is essentially nonexistent except a handful of like 4 to 8 year old games. So Switch won't be losing any AAA support from the new consoles.  A-AA support will continue because of Switch's massive install base and generally those games don't use the most amazing graphics currently possible.

Also, it wouldn't make sense to make a 2021 Switch 2 to garner 3rd party support from PS5/XboxSeries games because a Switch that releases in 2021 wouldn't be strong enough to even handle downgraded ports from those systems. A 2023 Switch just might be able to handle decent graphically downgraded versions of games that come out on systems that came out 3 years prior.

I think a good strategy for the next gen for Nintendo is to bring a system that has enough power to do a good job of handling downgraded version of PS5/XboxSeries games so that 3rd parties could port over new games to the Switch simply by making reasonable compromises. With all the money they'll make off this gen, they could possibly put out a system at that power level, sell it at a small loss at the start instead of a small profit in order to still make it affordable, pick up way more AAA 3rd party support, and continue the success of the Switch. Then again maybe they like the fact that first party sales dominate their system haha.