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Azuren said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

I'll give you interesting because he's such a nut job. Likable and down to earth? The same guy calling Mexican immigrants rapists?? Pffft

He said some of the people crossing the border illegally are rapists, which isn't untrue. Some does not mean all, not does it mean a majority.

This is a typical media spin, though, and it was the same deal with the "grab her by the _____" stuff. The media claimed he endorsed grabbing women without consent in that line, when they knowingly cut out the beginning of the sentence that set the context ("They let you grab them by the _____").

If you want to detract from the guy, call bullshit on policies. If nothing else, fact check what is being said about him. The Trump Bump makes negative coverage of Trump profitable, so media outlets typically exaggerate losing their minds over him to get clicks.

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  



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Mnementh said:
sethnintendo said:

I'll listen to Bill Maher wannabe later.  All I know is he helped fucktard get elected.

So this is it all about, revenge for 2016.

Well, Hillary Clinton threatend to kill him, this might turn a person against you.

If Hillary Clinton threaten to Kill Assange then he would be dead.  As we all know, based on the rumors, Hillary ability to have people killed, turn the entire government into a money making profit center and conduct illegal humans trafficking from a Pizza shop is legendary. 

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The Democrats are a bore, Trump is pure energy



melbye said:
The Democrats are a bore, Trump is pure energy

I totally agree.  Its that energy when you bet everything you have on black while you watch that ball go round the circle.



Machiavellian said:
Mnementh said:

So this is it all about, revenge for 2016.

Well, Hillary Clinton threatend to kill him, this might turn a person against you.

If Hillary Clinton threaten to Kill Assange then he would be dead.  As we all know, based on the rumors, Hillary ability to have people killed, turn the entire government into a money making profit center and conduct illegal trading of humans form a Pizza shot is legendary. 

Although she argues "to drone" Assange, she in reality never had really the power to do so. I don't give much on rumours.



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Machiavellian said:
Azuren said:

He said some of the people crossing the border illegally are rapists, which isn't untrue. Some does not mean all, not does it mean a majority.

This is a typical media spin, though, and it was the same deal with the "grab her by the _____" stuff. The media claimed he endorsed grabbing women without consent in that line, when they knowingly cut out the beginning of the sentence that set the context ("They let you grab them by the _____").

If you want to detract from the guy, call bullshit on policies. If nothing else, fact check what is being said about him. The Trump Bump makes negative coverage of Trump profitable, so media outlets typically exaggerate losing their minds over him to get clicks.

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

Ah, another victim of the media. Congratulations on watching biased news sources uncritically, I suppose?

Trump didn't call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals with absolute language. In the very same press conference he referred to them as good people.

And again, you just glossed over the "they let you do it" without even realizing you had reinforced what I said. I'm not saying Trump is a good person. Most people who end up president aren't good people. Hell, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents and he lied under oath about cheating on his wife in the White House.

And then you resort to name-calling instead of calling out policies. You used mainstream media spins to attempt to reinforce the rhetoric they spread about Trump, and then you called him an idiot without addressing the point I was actually making in my post:

Call him out on policies. Call him out on the decisions he makes as president that affect the nation. But you were so worried about talking bad about him that you couldn't even be bothered to do so. 



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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

Ah, another victim of the media. Congratulations on watching biased news sources uncritically, I suppose?

Trump didn't call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals with absolute language. In the very same press conference he referred to them as good people.

He did not call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals, but he certainly used language that in any other instance would mean the majority of illegals are rapists and criminals. Can you give me any other time where you can say "A are X, and some I assume are Y" but that doesn't mean the majority of A are X?



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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

Ah, another victim of the media. Congratulations on watching biased news sources uncritically, I suppose?

Trump didn't call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals with absolute language. In the very same press conference he referred to them as good people.

And again, you just glossed over the "they let you do it" without even realizing you had reinforced what I said. I'm not saying Trump is a good person. Most people who end up president aren't good people. Hell, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents and he lied under oath about cheating on his wife in the White House.

And then you resort to name-calling instead of calling out policies. You used mainstream media spins to attempt to reinforce the rhetoric they spread about Trump, and then you called him an idiot without addressing the point I was actually making in my post:

Call him out on policies. Call him out on the decisions he makes as president that affect the nation. But you were so worried about talking bad about him that you couldn't even be bothered to do so. 

Let's talk about his policies.  How's the budget going?  Republicans talk about deficits when Democrats are in White House yet apparently very few give a shit when they are in charge.  Give tax cuts to rich then bitch about deficits when Democrats take over.  Trickle down doesn't work.  Tried it under Reagan.  Tried it under GWB Jr.  Tried it under Trump.  The economy is already showing signs of decline.  I can link some Reuters articles showing exactly this with manufacturing orders way down.  However since you don't believe any news agency it's like arguing with a brick wall.

Only thing I agree is that we can't be flooded with illegal immigrants.  However he goes about trying to solve problem making it worse.

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KLAMarine said:
sethnintendo said:

Trump is above and beyond facts.  This mother fucker believes the media is public enemy number 1.  This mother fucker is public enemy number 1.

You're not going to respond to the examples of spin brought up by Azuren?

Yea the media did spin some things way too much.  They attached themselves to any click bait which only benefited Trump.  However he has done worse than almost any candidate can possibly do and yet his fan base stays with him no matter what.  I haven't seen such fanatical support since a politician named Hitler.  You can't group all media into one group just like I shouldn't group all Republicans into a group.  Problem is politics have become so dividing that two sides can't even tolerate each other.  I have die hard Trump supporter for neighbor and we hardly agree on anything policy wise.  Yet somehow we are still friends because when you remove politics we get along quite well.



RolStoppable said:
sethnintendo said:

Let's talk about his policies.  How's the budget going?  Republicans talk about deficits when Democrats are in White House yet apparently very few give a shit when they are in charge.  Give tax cuts to rich then bitch about deficits when Democrats take over.  Trickle down doesn't work.  Tried it under Reagan.  Tried it under GWB Jr.  Tried it under Trump.  The economy is already showing signs of decline.  I can link some Reuters articles showing exactly this with manufacturing orders way down.  However since you don't believe any news agency it's like arguing with a brick wall.

Only thing I agree is that we can't be flooded with illegal immigrants.  However he goes about trying to solve problem making it worse.

The German term for trickle down is Pferdeäpfel-Theorie which is more appropriate than the English equivalent.

Of course it doesn't work because it relies on volunteership from the rich to share their wealth. Unsurprisingly, they don't want to do that. Trickle down is a principle that is supported by only two kinds of people: Those who want to get even richer than they already are and people who are gullible enough to believe that the rich are kind.

For first few months after massive breaks for corporation (which many used loopholes to not even pay effective rate to begin with) and majority to rich it looked like there might have been some merit to it but it was all bs.  AT&T and a few other companies announced one time bonuses.  That is pretty much all that happened.  One and done so you had good news first few months of cuts but now most economist realize it was nothing but a sugar high.  

We haven't had increase in min wage on federal level since 2008.  Some states and local governments have stepped in and increased but the federal is still 7.50 a hour which is pathetic not only in 2008 but even more now.  If they had balls to attach min wage to inflation then we wouldn't have to bring up damn issue every decade or so.  Min should be least 10 to 11.  Sure living standards vary per location but if you argue you can't pay your employees more than 10 a hour you either shouldn't be in business or you are one cheap bastard.

Most politicians are in the pocket book of big business.  Lobbyist have effectively taken over the country.