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eva01beserk said:
@vivster
You do know a lot of the dems are running on socialism?

Despite Bernie calling himself a democratic socialist, neither he nor the other democratic candidates actually stand for socialist policies.

So no they aren't running on socialism.



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MrWayne said:
eva01beserk said:
@vivster
You do know a lot of the dems are running on socialism?

Despite Bernie calling himself a democratic socialist, neither he nor the other democratic candidates actually stand for socialist policies.

So no they aren't running on socialism.

So I should not call a socialist the guy who calls himself a socialist. Gotcha. Venezuela here we come. 



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Azuren said:
Machiavellian said:

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

Ah, another victim of the media. Congratulations on watching biased news sources uncritically, I suppose?

Trump didn't call all illegal immigrants rapists and criminals with absolute language. In the very same press conference he referred to them as good people.

And again, you just glossed over the "they let you do it" without even realizing you had reinforced what I said. I'm not saying Trump is a good person. Most people who end up president aren't good people. Hell, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents and he lied under oath about cheating on his wife in the White House.

And then you resort to name-calling instead of calling out policies. You used mainstream media spins to attempt to reinforce the rhetoric they spread about Trump, and then you called him an idiot without addressing the point I was actually making in my post:

Call him out on policies. Call him out on the decisions he makes as president that affect the nation. But you were so worried about talking bad about him that you couldn't even be bothered to do so. 

First I am not glossing over anything because I am taking his words to mean exactly what it means not trying to find some stupid hidden meaning to it.  If some guy came to your home and made the exact same statement before asking you if they could take your daughter out what the hell would you think.  Maybe you live in this fantasy world where someone who acts like Trump really isn't the predator he is but I know way to many guys who think like him.

Lol, Trump stated maybe there are some good people.  I see you have a problem understanding context and how that maybe is a way to basically saying no there is not.  What if I said maybe your mom is not a whore, how would you view that statement.

Here is the thing and I have said this before.  I have no problems with some of the things that Trump takes on but since he is an idiot everything he touches turns to crap.  First lets talk about the Tariffs.  I have no problems with him challenging China or even using Tariffs against them but since he is an idiot, he continue to try to win this whole thing through twitter.  He make public statement that he will force China to do what he wants which is an absolute no no if he was trying any real negotiations with China.  Since he and his administration wanted to go alone without working with everyone else it made it much easier for China to play the waiting game because just American wasn't going to make them change their policy.  Then you have the idiot trying to apply tariffs to everyone which means you are fighting battles on all fronts believing that other countries were just going to accept the tariffs and move on.  Only an idiot thought that but we can go on and on how dumb he is on that front.

Lets take immigration.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this policy but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue what they are doing he goes about doing things in a stupid way.  I had no problems making the law that any illegal crossing is a crime but taking away people children with no ability to return them back to their parents was just idiotic.  Its the type of stupid amoral thing an idiotic does believing this is being hard but has the reverse effect.

Lets take healthcare.  Nothing wrong with him taking on this very important issue but since Trump is an idiot and his administration is built with people who have no clue about such complex issues, his solution was nothing. Instead the solution is to get rid of everything instead of building on what works.

Next you have the tax cuts which he and the GOP tried to make like this was something every American will benefit from.  Others have already added to that part of the discussion but we all know that was a con job.

Next we can talk about how he was going to bring back steel to the US, guess what, that did not happen.  Not only did the steel tariffs not bring back steel plants to America but they are on a layoff spree and closing plants because of the tariffs.

Really, I can go on and on about his policies and his administration all day long and we can open another thread on that one.  He showed the same stupid idiotic management when running his businesses and he took it to the White House.  While you may believe just because someone opinion of Trump is negative its the result of the media, but my opinion of Trump is because I did my homework.  I highly doubt you knew anything about Trump and still do not know anything about him.  I am willing to bet you did not do any research on him before or even after he became president and instead your whole ideal of him is based on that dumb TV show of his believing him to be a smart businessman.



Machiavellian said:
Azuren said:

He said some of the people crossing the border illegally are rapists, which isn't untrue. Some does not mean all, not does it mean a majority.

This is a typical media spin, though, and it was the same deal with the "grab her by the _____" stuff. The media claimed he endorsed grabbing women without consent in that line, when they knowingly cut out the beginning of the sentence that set the context ("They let you grab them by the _____").

If you want to detract from the guy, call bullshit on policies. If nothing else, fact check what is being said about him. The Trump Bump makes negative coverage of Trump profitable, so media outlets typically exaggerate losing their minds over him to get clicks.

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

In general, what men want most is sex, and what woman want most is resourcefulness (safety). If a woman wants a man, she needs to be able to satisfy him sexually, and the more satisfied he is, the more resourceful he will become (unless he ever hits a limit). If a man wants a woman, all he has to do is be seen as more resourceful than other men, and he will get his choice of woman, and will get to make more decisions about how the relationship operates. (obviously other things come into play but they aren't near as important as the main factor for most)

A resourceful man who chooses a woman knows what he wants and is going to get it or will leave the woman because he can easily acquire another one. A sexually satisfying woman is going to get what she wants or she will leave the man because she can easily acquire another one. Both will have to compromise along the way because neither can have everything the way they would always like.

Woman and men don't just fall in love because there's 'magic in the air', they fall in love because both satisfy each other's needs, whatever those may be, and because they are both willing to sacrifice what's necessary. Love itself isn't even necessary in a relationship, especially if the point isn't to directly please each other, but to indirectly help each other in some other manner. No relationship is perfect, and no relationship is a life sentence. 

Trump conned the most powerful nation on Earth into making him President apparently. If he's one of the lower tier cons, I'd hate to see what one of the top tier is capable of.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

That is totally incorrect.  This is the reason why Trump excel at what he does.  Trump never said some, he never used words to classify different groups instead he used absolutes in his statements.  The problem has always been people who take what he says, like what you are doing and change the context to fix what you believe he was saying. 

Its the same situation with your example of "Grab her by the _____".  The media did not claim anything because anyone who was interested heard exactly what Trump stated since they all but Fox News played the whole tape.  Yes, we did here him say "They let you grab them"  We also heard how he just goes in and kiss them without consent stating they let you do it because you are rich.  The complete context was a man who decided to brag about taking advantage of women because he was rich.  Just think about it, sleeping with some Porn star while your wife has just delivered your child.  Hell, Trump has cheated on each one of his wives, that is pretty much what he does.

The thing is you are trying to make Trump out to be this moral person which he is definitely not.  You only have to do moderate research on Trump to see that he has always been a grifter.  Does that mean he would be a bad President, actually no it doesn't.  None of the moral stuff Trump has done would actually be a knock on him as a leader.  The knock on Trump as a leader is that he is an Idiot.  You can look throughout his pass and see that he has always been this big BS artist who has lied about his wealth and his business prowers but in reality he is just a con man and not a very good one.  

In general, what men want most is sex, and what woman want most is resourcefulness (safety). If a woman wants a man, she needs to be able to satisfy him sexually, and the more satisfied he is, the more resourceful he will become (unless he ever hits a limit). If a man wants a woman, all he has to do is be seen as more resourceful than other men, and he will get his choice of woman, and will get to make more decisions about how the relationship operates. (obviously other things come into play but they aren't near as important as the main factor for most)

A resourceful man who chooses a woman knows what he wants and is going to get it or will leave the woman because he can easily acquire another one. A sexually satisfying woman is going to get what she wants or she will leave the man because she can easily acquire another one. Both will have to compromise along the way because neither can have everything the way they would always like.

Woman and men don't just fall in love because there's 'magic in the air', they fall in love because both satisfy each other's needs, whatever those may be, and because they are both willing to sacrifice what's necessary. Love itself isn't even necessary in a relationship, especially if the point isn't to directly please each other, but to indirectly help each other in some other manner. No relationship is perfect, and no relationship is a life sentence. 

Trump conned the most powerful nation on Earth into making him President apparently. If he's one of the lower tier cons, I'd hate to see what one of the top tier is capable of.

Why do you think no American bank will deal with Trump anymore?  He left people high and dry in Atlantic City.  He also ran cons such as Trump University, Trump Airline and Trump Foundation which has recently ceased to exist because it was far from a "charitable foundation".  He used non-profit money to buy paintings of himself and God only knows what else.

I'm surprised he hasn't tried to release a crypto currency coin under his name.  Probably tank faster than his casinos.  For such a successful business man he sure has failed a lot.  If he put his dad's money in stock market he'd be worth more now.  That "1 million" dollar loan turns out to be half billion funnelled to him evading tax laws.  He is crooked as shit.  What defense do you have for his shit companies?

I have listed all facts on his business affairs.  Counter my facts without bullshit.



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sethnintendo said:
EricHiggin said:

In general, what men want most is sex, and what woman want most is resourcefulness (safety). If a woman wants a man, she needs to be able to satisfy him sexually, and the more satisfied he is, the more resourceful he will become (unless he ever hits a limit). If a man wants a woman, all he has to do is be seen as more resourceful than other men, and he will get his choice of woman, and will get to make more decisions about how the relationship operates. (obviously other things come into play but they aren't near as important as the main factor for most)

A resourceful man who chooses a woman knows what he wants and is going to get it or will leave the woman because he can easily acquire another one. A sexually satisfying woman is going to get what she wants or she will leave the man because she can easily acquire another one. Both will have to compromise along the way because neither can have everything the way they would always like.

Woman and men don't just fall in love because there's 'magic in the air', they fall in love because both satisfy each other's needs, whatever those may be, and because they are both willing to sacrifice what's necessary. Love itself isn't even necessary in a relationship, especially if the point isn't to directly please each other, but to indirectly help each other in some other manner. No relationship is perfect, and no relationship is a life sentence. 

Trump conned the most powerful nation on Earth into making him President apparently. If he's one of the lower tier cons, I'd hate to see what one of the top tier is capable of.

Why do you think no American bank will deal with Trump anymore?  He left people high and dry in Atlantic City.  He also ran cons such as Trump University, Trump Airline and Trump Foundation which has recently ceased to exist because it was far from a "charitable foundation".  He used non-profit money to buy paintings of himself and God only knows what else.

I'm surprised he hasn't tried to release a crypto currency coin under his name.  Probably tank faster than his casinos.  For such a successful business man he sure has failed a lot.  If he put his dad's money in stock market he'd be worth more now.  That "1 million" dollar loan turns out to be half billion funnelled to him evading tax laws.  He is crooked as shit.  What defense do you have for his shit companies?

I have listed all facts on his business affairs.  Counter my facts without bullshit.

Instead of investing in things that will be useful to other people, it would be better to just buy stocks and sit on the profits?

Which banks?



sethnintendo said:
KLAMarine said:

You're not going to respond to the examples of spin brought up by Azuren?

Yea the media did spin some things way too much.  They attached themselves to any click bait which only benefited Trump.  However he has done worse than almost any candidate can possibly do and yet his fan base stays with him no matter what.  I haven't seen such fanatical support since a politician named Hitler.  You can't group all media into one group just like I shouldn't group all Republicans into a group.  Problem is politics have become so dividing that two sides can't even tolerate each other.  I have die hard Trump supporter for neighbor and we hardly agree on anything policy wise.  Yet somehow we are still friends because when you remove politics we get along quite well.

Oh, you lived in Nazi Germany at one point to be able to compare the two?



eva01beserk said:
MrWayne said:

Despite Bernie calling himself a democratic socialist, neither he nor the other democratic candidates actually stand for socialist policies.

So no they aren't running on socialism.

So I should not call a socialist the guy who calls himself a socialist. Gotcha. Venezuela here we come. 

More like Western Europe, here we come.

Seriously, Bernie Sanders policies are considered socialism in the US due to their right wing standards (Even the democrats would be considered as center-right in Europe, with the Republicans as right wing), but would be more like Social Democratic politics in Europe, while Warren would be more like a Green politician (mostly social democratic, but with more ecologic concerns). Inslee and Booker are more like Nordic Green (green policies, but less on social democratic policies). Neither of them all get's nearly close enough to be considered to the leftist parties (which are in general democratic socialists), let alone communist parties.

Most of the rest of the candidates would fit well into Christian Democratic or Conservative parties in Europe. Some would rather fit into liberal parties instead (Liberal in Europe means the economy is deregulated, not that they want to spend much - quite the contrary often), but not many.

Republicans, by contrast, would be either Liberal, Christian Democratic or Conservative (moderate Republicans) or Eurosceptic (The more hardline Republicans).



Fanatical support? The economy is doing very well, the unemployment rate is very low, he is conserned about border security, plus he just saved America from another endless war in the Middle East, so anyone who likes what he is doing is a fanatic???



gamingsoul said:
Fanatical support? The economy is doing very well, the unemployment rate is very low, he is conserned about border security, plus he just saved America from another endless war in the Middle East, so anyone who likes what he is doing is a fanatic???

Yes he saved ourselves from bullshit advisor John Bolton who has been a war hawk since GWB Jr Iraq war days.

Also...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-manufacturing/u-s-manufacturing-mired-in-soft-patch-as-orders-shipments-fall-idUSKCN1T51U8