So just out of curiosity will Anaconda and Ps5 have more powerful cards than GTX 980 ti?

Yeah, I attended a GDC lecture where nVidia showed it off for Wolfenstein 2. They were able to half the shading rate by using VRS when rendering in 4K and I couldn't see any noticeable artifacts. It was shown on a big projector and I sat 7-8 meters away, so there might have been artifacts that I missed. I don't know how well it scales to other types of games, but I couldn't think of anything special that would make it more suitable for just Wolfenstein. Looks like a very promising technique.

So much negativity and we dont even know the prices yet. AMD just trounced intel, cant we have a little more faith. just 3 more weeks till E3 and get the final details.

I'd ask for more specifics, but I suspect we can't really do benchmark comparison tests yet?

In general, I'd like to know how much better. My PC is about 4 years old now, though I've upgraded it a decent amount over the years (including the 980 ti). Trying to juggle if I can continue to upgrade it or if it would be better to just build a newer pc in the nearish future (a few years from now), or just let it be what it is and simply get an xbox for 3rd party games and some of their 1st party ones.

You are fine until 2020. No idea what your expectations are, certainly not suffcient for 1440p @144Hz.

I mean, everything I touch that is brand new looks fantastic on my computer right now. And my tolerance for games not looking amazing is pretty high, as a Nintendo guy. Prior to oh about 2 years ago I was running a GTX 470 on newer games back then and was fine with the way they looked, though I wasn't particularly happy with the framerate lol. I think the Arkham games were the thing that finally pushed me over the edge of "yeah I need to upgrade." Remembering what Arkham Knight was like on PC before they patched it still amazes me. What a hot mess that was lol.

Navi draws a lot of power that we can agree on, there was several rumors about the navi card having 40CU's with geforce 2070 performance and those looks spot on so I'm not posting nonsense.

On the PS5 you're correct, I made the mistake assuming the PS5 would launch at $400, it will likely launch at $500 with this gpu amd demonstrated. Even with the bad news Navi pulling more power than I expected my PS5 prediction remains the same except for the higher price point and it will have 16GB of Vram instead of 12GB, we simply don't agree on clock speed. Ofc Xbox anaconda will receive a downgrade, the spec and price should be very similiar to PS5.

The gpu in PS4 was a cut-down radeon 7870 card, that card launched at $350 in march 2012. I think the PS5 price will be $500 with this gpu amd showed at computex. We not sure what the gpu will cost, but probably between $400-$500.

As I said, depends what your needs are, most people still use 1080p/60fps. I'm waiting for a 2070 TI, may come out. If not, I'll wait till next summer for the 30** cards.

Navi wouldn't be besting Nvidia anyway with a small die but at least both both of their latest and greatest are similar from a power efficiency standpoint and depending on the exact measurements of the die size, AMD could potentially have a more die area efficient design ... 

AMD has many opportunities they could take. If they decide to launch next year, they'll have another year to improve the architecture and can transition to EUV ... 

Thank you. People keep forgetting that navi 10 is a replacement for polaris and it will be priced according. That its performance is on par with a mid high end card from last year is to be expected, but its still a mid range card with hopefully a mid range price. Next year navi 20 will replace vega on the high end. Cards of $500+.