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CGI-Quality said:
OdinHades said:

Got myself an i7-9900K with an RTX 2070 and 32 Gigs of Ram. So nothing too crazy, but it should be in the ballpark of the new consoles.

That's a decent setup, to be sure. Your CPU and RAM should be be a good step ahead of the console offerings.

Dulfite said:
So just out of curiosity will Anaconda and Ps5 have more powerful cards than GTX 980 ti?

Should be, yes.

I'd ask for more specifics, but I suspect we can't really do benchmark comparison tests yet?

In general, I'd like to know how much better. My PC is about 4 years old now, though I've upgraded it a decent amount over the years (including the 980 ti). Trying to juggle if I can continue to upgrade it or if it would be better to just build a newer pc in the nearish future (a few years from now), or just let it be what it is and simply get an xbox for 3rd party games and some of their 1st party ones.



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Dulfite said:
CGI-Quality said:

That's a decent setup, to be sure. Your CPU and RAM should be be a good step ahead of the console offerings.

Should be, yes.

I'd ask for more specifics, but I suspect we can't really do benchmark comparison tests yet?

In general, I'd like to know how much better. My PC is about 4 years old now, though I've upgraded it a decent amount over the years (including the 980 ti). Trying to juggle if I can continue to upgrade it or if it would be better to just build a newer pc in the nearish future (a few years from now), or just let it be what it is and simply get an xbox for 3rd party games and some of their 1st party ones.

We can't know how much better yet because the complete specifications haven't been revealed, but at least in the PS5's case, we have an idea of where they're going with the GPU (and the 980 Ti is a Maxwell card, and wasn't even the best one at that, so it is a given that 2020 machines would have better GPUs in them).

In regards to an upgrade, not sure how much RAM matters to you, or the next generation of procs/GPUs (in addition to company choice), but I'd wait for DDR5 to upgrade (should reach the mass market by next year). Then again, I'm not quite doing that, with a plan to do a slight CPU upgrade and grab two new cards by the end of the year. I won't be getting DDR5 until 2021. 

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 28 May 2019

                                                                                                             

Yeah, I would have to agree that both PS5 and Xbox Anaconda will most likely have GPU's that are more powerful than the 980ti. Looking at what we know about this new AMD Radeon 5700 specs wise, I would guesstimate it's performance to be about 5% below RTX 2070 in Nvidia optimized games and 5-10% above RTX 2070 in AMD optimized games, and the RTX 2070 is on average about 17% faster than the 980ti in games. Assuming that the PS5's GPU is based on this new 5700, most likely with a couple of CU's disabled for better yields, the PS5's GPU should still beat out the 980ti in performance, especially after console optimizations are taken into account. And of course some pretty reliable Xbox leakers over on ResetEra are claiming that Xbox Anaconda will be even more powerful than PS5, possibly using as a base the lowest end GPU from AMD's high-end GPU line that is set to replace Vega in 2020.

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Dulfite said:
CGI-Quality said:

That's a decent setup, to be sure. Your CPU and RAM should be be a good step ahead of the console offerings.

Should be, yes.

I'd ask for more specifics, but I suspect we can't really do benchmark comparison tests yet?

In general, I'd like to know how much better. My PC is about 4 years old now, though I've upgraded it a decent amount over the years (including the 980 ti). Trying to juggle if I can continue to upgrade it or if it would be better to just build a newer pc in the nearish future (a few years from now), or just let it be what it is and simply get an xbox for 3rd party games and some of their 1st party ones.

You are fine until 2020. No idea what your expectations are, certainly not suffcient for 1440p @144Hz.



Random_Matt said:
Dulfite said:

I'd ask for more specifics, but I suspect we can't really do benchmark comparison tests yet?

In general, I'd like to know how much better. My PC is about 4 years old now, though I've upgraded it a decent amount over the years (including the 980 ti). Trying to juggle if I can continue to upgrade it or if it would be better to just build a newer pc in the nearish future (a few years from now), or just let it be what it is and simply get an xbox for 3rd party games and some of their 1st party ones.

You are fine until 2020. No idea what your expectations are, certainly not suffcient for 1440p @144Hz.

I mean, everything I touch that is brand new looks fantastic on my computer right now. And my tolerance for games not looking amazing is pretty high, as a Nintendo guy. Prior to oh about 2 years ago I was running a GTX 470 on newer games back then and was fine with the way they looked, though I wasn't particularly happy with the framerate lol. I think the Arkham games were the thing that finally pushed me over the edge of "yeah I need to upgrade." Remembering what Arkham Knight was like on PC before they patched it still amazes me. What a hot mess that was lol.



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drkohler said:
Trumpstyle said:

Both console will almost certainly be below 10 Teraflops, based on the gonzalo codenamn showing PS5 having a 1,8ghz navi gpu it will likely just have 32CU's with 2-4 disabled CU's giving 6,4-6,9TF. Xbox anaconda will probably have 40CU's but 4 disable for yield improvements so 36CU's clocked at 1,9ghz is my guess and will result in a 8,7TF gpu.

Please stop posting more nonsense every 10 minutes.

The PS4Pro already has 36CUs. There is no way a next gen chip has fewer CUs.

Also your 1.8Ghz clock is way too high for consoles, unless we get monster cooling solutions. There has been an image of a navi board floating around for a few weeks now, it has two 8-pin connectors. That alone tells you all about the problems AMD STILL has with power consumption, even at 7nm.

Navi draws a lot of power that we can agree on, there was several rumors about the navi card having 40CU's with geforce 2070 performance and those looks spot on so I'm not posting nonsense.

On the PS5 you're correct, I made the mistake assuming the PS5 would launch at $400, it will likely launch at $500 with this gpu amd demonstrated. Even with the bad news Navi pulling more power than I expected my PS5 prediction remains the same except for the higher price point and it will have 16GB of Vram instead of 12GB, we simply don't agree on clock speed. Ofc Xbox anaconda will receive a downgrade, the spec and price should be very similiar to PS5.

shikamaru317 said:
Trumpstyle said:

Sony doesn't pay retail prices, they pay wafer costs + margins to AMD, now we know why the gonzalo codename said it was a navi 10 lite. Amd and Sony has probably done some customizations to Navi 10 to reduce the die size, they need to get it down to about 200-210mm2 to fit 8core zen2 cpu in a 350mm2 apu/soc.

Not sure what rumors you talking about, I'm assuming adoredtv, they were fake dude. He got tricked, stuff like that can happen.

About gpu prices for PC, I expect them to come down big when Nvidia launches their 7nm gpu lineup.

I know they don't pay retail, but a $400 at retail GPU in PS5 still seems highly unlikely to me when PS4's GPU was much cheaper than that.

I think I saw that $280-320 pricing rumor for the highest end Navi chipset on Anandtech or another big site, but I could be wrong. 

The gpu in PS4 was a cut-down radeon 7870 card, that card launched at $350 in march 2012. I think the PS5 price will be $500 with this gpu amd showed at computex. We not sure what the gpu will cost, but probably between $400-$500.

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Dulfite said:
Random_Matt said:

You are fine until 2020. No idea what your expectations are, certainly not suffcient for 1440p @144Hz.

I mean, everything I touch that is brand new looks fantastic on my computer right now. And my tolerance for games not looking amazing is pretty high, as a Nintendo guy. Prior to oh about 2 years ago I was running a GTX 470 on newer games back then and was fine with the way they looked, though I wasn't particularly happy with the framerate lol. I think the Arkham games were the thing that finally pushed me over the edge of "yeah I need to upgrade." Remembering what Arkham Knight was like on PC before they patched it still amazes me. What a hot mess that was lol.

As I said, depends what your needs are, most people still use 1080p/60fps. I'm waiting for a 2070 TI, may come out. If not, I'll wait till next summer for the 30** cards.



Pemalite said:


Indeed they do have allot of options, plus they have more experience with 7nm at TSMC than nVidia, so that advantage can't exactly be understated.

In saying that, Navi is still going to be a pretty average GPU all things considered... And won't be besting nVidia at 12nm (Aka 16nm Enhanced.)

8 SE's even with 64 CU's and a beefy clockrate should result in a chunky uplift though, especially backed by GDDR6 on a 256bit bus.

Navi wouldn't be besting Nvidia anyway with a small die but at least both both of their latest and greatest are similar from a power efficiency standpoint and depending on the exact measurements of the die size, AMD could potentially have a more die area efficient design ... 

AMD has many opportunities they could take. If they decide to launch next year, they'll have another year to improve the architecture and can transition to EUV ... 



Trumpstyle said:
shikamaru317 said:

I know they don't pay retail, but a $400 at retail GPU in PS5 still seems highly unlikely to me when PS4's GPU was much cheaper than that.

I think I saw that $280-320 pricing rumor for the highest end Navi chipset on Anandtech or another big site, but I could be wrong. 

The gpu in PS4 was a cut-down radeon 7870 card, that card launched at $350 in march 2012. I think the PS5 price will be $500 with this gpu amd showed at computex. We not sure what the gpu will cost, but probably between $400-$500.

I still have very severe doubts about the 5700 costing that much. The whole point of Navi's highest and 2nd highest tier GPU's was to bring Vega 64 and Vega 56 tier performance to the mid-range consumer with greater power efficiency. You can already buy a Vega 64 for $400 now if you bargain hunt. Navi is the successor to Polaris, AMD's last mid-range GPU line, and the most expensive Polaris GPU on release, the RX 480, was $250. I don't know if they will be able to hit $250 with this 5700, but I will be surprised if it costs more than $300, prices over about $300 just aren't appealing to the mid-range consumers that Navi is targeted at. 



shikamaru317 said:
Trumpstyle said:

The gpu in PS4 was a cut-down radeon 7870 card, that card launched at $350 in march 2012. I think the PS5 price will be $500 with this gpu amd showed at computex. We not sure what the gpu will cost, but probably between $400-$500.

I still have very severe doubts about the 5700 costing that much. The whole point of Navi's highest and 2nd highest tier GPU's was to bring Vega 64 and Vega 56 tier performance to the mid-range consumer with greater power efficiency. You can already buy a Vega 64 for $400 now if you bargain hunt. Navi is the successor to Polaris, AMD's last mid-range GPU line, and the most expensive Polaris GPU on release, the RX 480, was $250. I don't know if they will be able to hit $250 with this 5700, but I will be surprised if it costs more than $300, prices over about $300 just aren't appealing to the mid-range consumers that Navi is targeted at. 

Thank you. People keep forgetting that navi 10 is a replacement for polaris and it will be priced according. That its performance is on par with a mid high end card from last year is to be expected, but its still a mid range card with hopefully a mid range price. Next year navi 20 will replace vega on the high end. Cards of $500+.



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