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tsogud said:

Good day ladies, gents and everyone in between and outside the gender binary! Another day, another poll! Sorry Uran I know how much you don't like polls :p

Morning Consult just released their new poll, interviewing 8,102 registered voters from Nov. 21st to the 24th, here's how it stacks up from their previous pre-debate polling:

1. Biden at 30% (-2% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 21% (+1%)

3. Warren at 15% (-2%)

4. Buttigieg at 9% (+1%)

5. Harris at 5% (No change)

6. Yang at 4% (+1%)

Bloomberg/Gabbard/Klobuchar/Booker/Steyer at 2%

Now on to their early primary states poll. So among the registered voters in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC here's how the candidates fare:

1. Biden at 26% (-3% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 23% (+5%)

3. Warren at 18% (+1%)

4. Steyer at 9% (+1%)

5. Buttigieg at 8% (-2%)

6. Yang at 4% (+2%)

Harris(-2%)/Bloomberg(-1%)/Klobuchar(no change) all at 2%

Here's the link.

An interesting thing to note is that although Warren still has very strong support as far as second choices go, Sanders is now giving her a lot more competition in that area. It seems Buttigieg supporters do not like Sanders at all and vice versa.

Sanders is surging since his recovery from his heart surgery, and Warren is taking the toll, mostly.

That Buttigieg and Sanders voters don't get along was explained in an article a couple days ago. I'll have to look it p again to link it. Basically, Sanders is considered way too old and extreme for Buttigieg voters and Sanders voters see Buttigieg as a fake and a sellout.

And like I predicted just the otehr day, Bloomberg's entry means he's stealing votes from Biden, thus he's down on all fronts now.

Looking at the charts, I think I know who'll drop out next: Booker. He's dropping more and more and he's starting to get some debt, so he will soon run out of money if he can't fire up and expand his base anymore.

Edit: I'm surprised about how unfavorable Bloomberg is at Morning Consult. 30% unfavorablility rate is a massive amount. Biden with his 23% unfavorability is also starting getting quite high.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 26 November 2019

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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Edit: I'm surprised about how unfavorable Bloomberg is at Morning Consult. 30% unfavorablility rate is a massive amount. Biden with his 23% unfavorability is also starting getting quite high.

Yeah, the longer the campaign, the more toll it takes on Bidens favorability. I guess he was seen mostly as Obamas VP, so Obamas favorability was augmenting his own. The more we see of Biden himself, the less he gets associated with Obama, and thus favorability drops.



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Its not that I don't like polls.... (I like numbers and such) I just know that its flawed and certain things aren't being taken into account and a good amount of the methodology sucks. I wont really put any stock into polls and we'll see how things really fall once votes come in.

In other news, Barrack "stop Sanders" Obama



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Yikes. That's not a good look for Obama.



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uran10 said:

Its not that I don't like polls.... (I like numbers and such) I just know that its flawed and certain things aren't being taken into account and a good amount of the methodology sucks. I wont really put any stock into polls and we'll see how things really fall once votes come in.

In other news, Barrack "stop Sanders" Obama

lol

Didn't Bernie roll out the red carpet for Obama back during his 2008 run?

I'm not sure but in 2006 Obama was stumping for Bernie's Senate run. He starts off his video with that Obama speech



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tsogud said:

Good day ladies, gents and everyone in between and outside the gender binary! Another day, another poll! Sorry Uran I know how much you don't like polls :p

Morning Consult just released their new poll, interviewing 8,102 registered voters from Nov. 21st to the 24th, here's how it stacks up from their previous pre-debate polling:

1. Biden at 30% (-2% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 21% (+1%)

3. Warren at 15% (-2%)

4. Buttigieg at 9% (+1%)

5. Harris at 5% (No change)

6. Yang at 4% (+1%)

Bloomberg/Gabbard/Klobuchar/Booker/Steyer at 2%

Now on to their early primary states poll. So among the registered voters in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC here's how the candidates fare:

1. Biden at 26% (-3% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 23% (+5%)

3. Warren at 18% (+1%)

4. Steyer at 9% (+1%)

5. Buttigieg at 8% (-2%)

6. Yang at 4% (+2%)

Harris(-2%)/Bloomberg(-1%)/Klobuchar(no change) all at 2%

Here's the link.

An interesting thing to note is that although Warren still has very strong support as far as second choices go, Sanders is now giving her a lot more competition in that area. It seems Buttigieg supporters do not like Sanders at all and vice versa.

Yar, I think it also helped that Sanders was able to clarify in this last debate that his transition plan, while not finely detailed yet, WILL be a one-stage, one-vote policy proposal. Warren's two-stage proposition conflicts with her whole brand of being the pragmatic progressive in this contest, as frankly most everyone knows that nine times out of ten, a sitting president's party loses seats in the Congress during the first midterm election of their tenure. Bernie's simpler approach to M4A is just making a lot more sense in comparison. I think that's a factor here too.

Also, told you the Warren fad was over. This downward trend is most likely only going to continue.



So... to break the ice a bit....

I wonder if any of the posters on this conversation are russian fake personas... we all know how they operate on chats/foruns/etc and try to mold opinions online.

It would be a nice place to influence innocent minds.

Does that question cross your mind when debating American politics online?

Bye and have a good week! ;)



ruior said:

So... to break the ice a bit....

I wonder if any of the posters on this conversation are russian fake personas... we all know how they operate on chats/foruns/etc and try to mold opinions online.

It would be a nice place to influence innocent minds.

Does that question cross your mind when debating American politics online?

Bye and have a good week! ;)

I can think of one character here of whom I find that a possibility, but I'll be polite and refrain from naming names.



SO...here are my candidate preferences in order as of this writing. Note that this list only includes candidates who made the last debate and new entries since then, NOT candidates who have been effectively eliminated:

TIER 1: THE ECONOMIC POPULISTS

1) Bernie Sanders
2) Elizabeth Warren

TIER 2: THE HUMAN BEINGS

3) Pete Buttigieg
4) Andrew Yang

TIER 3: THE SJWs

5) Kamala Harris
6) Cory Booker

TIER 4: THE CORPORATE DRONES

7) Deval Patrick
8) Joe Biden
9) Amy Klobuchar

-----------WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CANDIDATES BELOW THIS LINE EVEN IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION--------------

TIER 5: THE ACTUAL CORPORATIONS

10) Tom Steyer
11) Michael Bloomberg

HER OWN TIER: THE TRAITOR

12) Tulsi Gabbard

Last edited by Jaicee - on 26 November 2019

Lol.

I've never called them like that but it's hilariously accurate.
Can you elaborate on Tier 3 @Jaicee?