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The Switch is closing in on two entire years without a price cut. The price cut excuse does not work for just one console or another, both consoles could use one and both would probably do a bit better with one.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The Switch is closing in on two entire years without a price cut. The price cut excuse does not work for just one console or another, both consoles could use one and both would probably do a bit better with one.

Who said a price cut was an excuse? I just saw people say the PS4 was doing as expected in conjuncture with its age and price. No one ever said it doesn't work for any other console as far as I rad anyway.  And of course both would do a bit better with a price cut that is a given. How long has it been since the PS4 had an official price cut though? Edit: I found the answer to this question it was Sept 2016 that is became $299.

Also just out of curiosity do you know how long it was before the PS4/XB1 had their first price cuts? Edit: Found the answer to this one as well it was Oct 2015 so nearly 2 years in about the Switch current age.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
The Switch is closing in on two entire years without a price cut. The price cut excuse does not work for just one console or another, both consoles could use one and both would probably do a bit better with one.

Who said a price cut was an excuse? I just saw people say the PS4 was doing as expected in conjuncture with its age and price. No one ever said it doesn't work for any other console as far as I rad anyway.  And of course both would do a bit better with a price cut that is a given. How long has it been since the PS4 had an official price cut though?

Also just out of curiosity do you know how long it was before the PS4/XB1 had their first price cuts?

I said the price cut was an excuse, not that other people said it was an excuse. And I said this because Kerotan's comment says : "For it's age and price. If it was $199 now it would be doing great. " Which is true, but it can be said for the Switch as well. Both are arguably overdue for a price cut, so I don't see the reason to imply the PS4 needs one and leave it at that. It's not like the PS4 is the only console in this comparison which could use a cut. They are both doing very well considering the price they are at. 

Ironically I closed out of the tab right when you replied to me : P Here it is:

http://time.com/2848313/xbox-one-price-cut/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/8/9477625/ps4-price-drop-349-us

Sony cut the price of the PS4 by $50 like, almost exactly two years after their console launched (technically a month and two weeks before the 2nd anniversary). And the 3DS is infamous for having to have a steep price cut just like 6 months after launch. Which means that the Switch will probably go the longest without a price cut this generation. Though I do expect a Switch lite to be announced at $250 in a few months.



While both PS4 and Switch would sell better with a price cut, I think they're selling well enough that it's understandable why neither parent company want to make a cut just yet.

After all, as soon as they drop to $250, they're making $50 less money on each unit. Apparently they'd rather keep that nice fat profit margin that try to push for maximum install base growth.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 07 February 2019

Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Who said a price cut was an excuse? I just saw people say the PS4 was doing as expected in conjuncture with its age and price. No one ever said it doesn't work for any other console as far as I rad anyway.  And of course both would do a bit better with a price cut that is a given. How long has it been since the PS4 had an official price cut though?

Also just out of curiosity do you know how long it was before the PS4/XB1 had their first price cuts?

I said the price cut was an excuse, not that other people said it was an excuse. And I said this because Kerotan's comment says : "For it's age and price. If it was $199 now it would be doing great. " Which is true, but it can be said for the Switch as well. Both are arguably overdue for a price cut, so I don't see the reason to imply the PS4 needs one and leave it at that. It's not like the PS4 is the only console in this comparison which could use a cut. They are both doing very well considering the price they are at. 

Ironically I closed out of the tab right when you replied to me : P Here it is:

http://time.com/2848313/xbox-one-price-cut/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/8/9477625/ps4-price-drop-349-us

Sony cut the price of the PS4 by $50 like, almost exactly two years after their console launched (technically a month and two weeks before the 2nd anniversary). And the 3DS is infamous for having to have a steep price cut just like 6 months after launch. Which means that the Switch will probably go the longest without a price cut this generation. Though I do expect a Switch lite to be announced at $250 in a few months.

So you were kinda making a strawman?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I said the price cut was an excuse, not that other people said it was an excuse. And I said this because Kerotan's comment says : "For it's age and price. If it was $199 now it would be doing great. " Which is true, but it can be said for the Switch as well. Both are arguably overdue for a price cut, so I don't see the reason to imply the PS4 needs one and leave it at that. It's not like the PS4 is the only console in this comparison which could use a cut. They are both doing very well considering the price they are at. 

Ironically I closed out of the tab right when you replied to me : P Here it is:

http://time.com/2848313/xbox-one-price-cut/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/8/9477625/ps4-price-drop-349-us

Sony cut the price of the PS4 by $50 like, almost exactly two years after their console launched (technically a month and two weeks before the 2nd anniversary). And the 3DS is infamous for having to have a steep price cut just like 6 months after launch. Which means that the Switch will probably go the longest without a price cut this generation. Though I do expect a Switch lite to be announced at $250 in a few months.

So you were kinda making a strawman?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No?

Ironically I think you are interpreting stuff from my comment I didn't say. All I was saying is that both consoles are overdue for a cut. I didn't say kero said otherwise. I did however say it was an excuse, but thats mostly because it could be said about both of them. If its only said about one console it makes it sound like its doing great despite the constraints. When really both have the same constraint. It's called a clarification. Someone said something, I clarified something by adding onto it. Doesn't mean I was arguing against something someone didn't say, as if the y were arguing the exaxt opposite of what I said. Just adding to what was already said. 

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

So you were kinda making a strawman?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No?

Ironically I think you are interpreting stuff from my comment I didn't say. All I was saying is that both consoles are overdue for a cut. I didn't say kero said otherwise. I did however say it was an excuse, but thats mostly because it could be said about both of them. If its only said about one console it makes it sound like its doing great despite the constraints. When really both have the same constraint. It's called a clarification. Someone said something, I clarified something. Doesn't mean I was arguing against something someone didn't say. Just adding to what was already said. 

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

DonFerrari said:

So you were kinda making a strawman?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No?

Ironically I think you are interpreting stuff from my comment I didn't say. All I was saying is that both consoles are overdue for a cut. I didn't say kero said otherwise. I did however say it was an excuse, but thats mostly because it could be said about both of them. If its only said about one console it makes it sound like its doing great despite the constraints. When really both have the same constraint. It's called a clarification. Someone said something, I clarified something by adding onto it. Doesn't mean I was arguing against something someone didn't say, as if the y were arguing the exaxt opposite of what I said. Just adding to what was already said. 

I understand both view points that's why I originally responded to you. Because I was kind of confused at first. Like when you said it was an excuse when it to me anyway it wasn't. It was just a statement being made about the PS4 from Kero. Which what he said seemed fine. Your comment did kind of come off as if someone was talking negatively about the Switch. For instance if you had said yeah both would benefit from a price cut, instead of there is no point in mentioning one without the other then I think you would have got no misunderstandings. But I know you are a chill and cool poster so that's why I responded and asked.

DonFerrari said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No?

Ironically I think you are interpreting stuff from my comment I didn't say. All I was saying is that both consoles are overdue for a cut. I didn't say kero said otherwise. I did however say it was an excuse, but thats mostly because it could be said about both of them. If its only said about one console it makes it sound like its doing great despite the constraints. When really both have the same constraint. It's called a clarification. Someone said something, I clarified something. Doesn't mean I was arguing against something someone didn't say. Just adding to what was already said. 

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.

Yeah I think wording is just important that's all. Stating one is doing great and speaking of what it could be doing with other factors is fine. No need to discuss all 3 with every post. But I understood his intentions with his response now that he has explained them.



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DonFerrari said:

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.

I'm going to be straight up honest with you, I don't care if it's a "strawman" or not. Not because I don't care about my integrity, but because if it was it was completely unintentional. I hate how internet discourse has basically become people replying with what fallacy someone might have accidentally committed. It completely detracts from the point the person was making and focuses too much on stuff that doesn't even matter after it's already addressed. "Oh let me look at this book of fallacies, sorry bro you committed fallacy number #129, let me harp on that for the next three pages!" 

I mean I looked up the definition of straw man as a refresher and honestly it sounded like you were making one of my point, because I wasn't even acting like Kerotan said the exact opposite of what I said, I was just clarifying something he said. But it somehow got interpreted that way. Should I harp on about you making a straw man for 10 pages? No, because I don't care, lol. You probably didn't do it intentionally. 

To clarify something you often have to add onto a point things that weren't previously mentioned. It doesn't mean you think the person was saying the opposite of those things or arguing against them, it just means you're unpacking several points to clarify. 

And yeah I can get down with what you're saying, I don't think that people should be forced to repeat a similar point about multiple consoles just because that point exists. Your example is a good one, people shouldn't have to say that the Switch is doing well just because they said the PS4 was doing well. 

However, I do think that the obvious implication is that PS4 has a constraint that it's competitors don't. The price. Which is why I clarified that it wasn't true. And I interpreted it that way mainly because the comment said "it would be doing great". It would be doing great ... compared to ... ? It's competitors. That's the only comparison that can be made in this thread. And on that front, both are overdue for a price cut. Which is why that kind of hypothetical is a tad pointless. 

I admit excuse isn't a very good way to word it because Kerotan wasn't necessarily making an argument to soften the blow. It also wasn't a good word choice because people usually interpret excuse as meaning a defense that's unfounded or untrue. Which isn't necessarily the case with that word all the time, it can be true and still be an excuse. 

The hilarious thing is that I look at this chart and think the PS4 is doing great. Lol.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.

I'm going to be straight up honest with you, I don't care if it's a "strawman" or not. Not because I don't care about my integrity, but because if it was it was completely unintentional. I hate how internet discourse has basically become people replying with what fallacy someone might have accidentally committed. It completely detracts from the point the person was making and focuses too much on stuff that doesn't even matter after it's already addressed. "Oh let me look at this book of fallacies, sorry bro you committed fallacy number #129, let me harp on that for the next three pages!" 

I mean I looked up the definition of straw man as a refresher and honestly it sounded like you were making one of my point, because I wasn't even acting like Kerotan said the exact opposite of what I said, I was just clarifying something he said. But it somehow got interpreted that way. Should I harp on about you making a straw man for 10 pages? No, because I don't care, lol. You probably didn't do it intentionally. 

To clarify something you often have to add onto a point things that weren't previously mentioned. It doesn't mean you think the person was saying the opposite of those things or arguing against them, it just means you're unpacking several points to clarify. 

And yeah I can get down with what you're saying, I don't think that people should be forced to repeat a similar point about multiple consoles just because that point exists. Your example is a good one, people shouldn't have to say that the Switch is doing well just because they said the PS4 was doing well. 

However, I do think that the obvious implication is that PS4 has a constraint that it's competitors don't. The price. Which is why I clarified that it wasn't true. And I interpreted it that way mainly because the comment said "it would be doing great". It would be doing great ... compared to ... ? It's competitors. That's the only comparison that can be made in this thread. And on that front, both are overdue for a price cut. Which is why that kind of hypothetical is a tad pointless. 

I admit excuse isn't a very good way to word it because Kerotan wasn't necessarily making an argument to soften the blow. It also wasn't a good word choice because people usually interpret excuse as meaning a defense that's unfounded or untrue. Which isn't necessarily the case with that word all the time, it can be true and still be an excuse. 

The hilarious thing is that I look at this chart and think the PS4 is doing great. Lol.

No problem and no need to discuss if you were or not, as you said it wasn't your intention and that is enough to me.

And yes both are on the brink of either having a price cut or sales level being lower than what they should be (they certainly are below what they could be with the cuts).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."