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CladInShadows said:
I might be in the minority on this one, but one of the big things missing in BOTW was progression tied to abilities/items. I don't want to be able to access the entire map right from the beginning of the game. Make certain sections of the map inaccessible without a hookshot, for example. Slowly open up new, more difficult/interesting places as your character grows. And tie this in with unlocking dungeons, which there should definitely be more of. Don't give me every ability at the beginning of the game.

I know this introduces linearity but I feel that open world games have become a dime a dozen these days and I like a little more structure in my Zelda games.

This is a good post. I like the open world nature of BotW but I do miss reaching specific heart pieces with the proper use of key items. Perhaps a compromise could be made where certain items and heart pieces could be obtained only by using certain key items. Nintendo need to reboot the system though Skyward Sword while a very good game seemed a tad uninspiring to me in terms of its puzzles and dungeons. Skyrim also sort of elevated the standard for the fantasy action RPG...though I still hold Ocarina and Twilight as my fave Zeldas ever, closely followed by Majora's.



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Another addition to the next Zelda I thought of, but I imagine it won't be a very popular idea, is what if Link could talk, at least a little.

"Well excuuuuuse me, Princess!" *shoots cartoon Link* And I don't mean like that.



ThisanmU said:
burninmylight said:

Exactly this. Anyone who has played a game that really does use a 1:1 day/night cycle to real life (like the Gen 7 Pokemon games) can tell you how big of a pain in the ass this really is. Ever had to wake up at 5 in the morning just to evolve a Lycanroc? lol

And before you say that  one can just adjust their system clock, games that use this 24-hour cycle can punish you for manipulating it, again like Pokemon Sun and Moon, and I think Animal Crossing: New Leaf locks you out of time-sensitive events for a certain amount of time for doing so as well, but I haven't touched it in two or three years.

 

I didn't know this real day/night cycle has been used in a game already, what Pokémon games use this system?

It's been used as far  back as Gold and Silver, and skipped most games until the most recent ones, Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.  It effects t hings like certain wild Pokemon and NPCs only appearing at certain times of day, or access to some events or when some Pokemon evolve.



CaptainExplosion said:

Another addition to the next Zelda I thought of, but I imagine it won't be a very popular idea, is what if Link could talk, at least a little.

"Well excuuuuuse me, Princess!" *shoots cartoon Link* And I don't mean like that.

Or an interesting and bold move would be making it so nobody could talk! No voice actors at all!

(I played BOTW with Japanese voice acting on, I switched to english for a minute and when Zelda opened her mouth I wanted to die.)



XD84 said:
Better soundtrack (BotW was in my opinion one of the worst of the series)
Better story

Did we play the same game? Breath of the Wild’s soundtrack is no doubt one of the best - I’d argue the best in the whole franchise.



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ThisanmU said:
burninmylight said:

Exactly this. Anyone who has played a game that really does use a 1:1 day/night cycle to real life (like the Gen 7 Pokemon games) can tell you how big of a pain in the ass this really is. Ever had to wake up at 5 in the morning just to evolve a Lycanroc? lol

And before you say that  one can just adjust their system clock, games that use this 24-hour cycle can punish you for manipulating it, again like Pokemon Sun and Moon, and I think Animal Crossing: New Leaf locks you out of time-sensitive events for a certain amount of time for doing so as well, but I haven't touched it in two or three years.

 

I didn't know this real day/night cycle has been used in a game already, what Pokémon games use this system?

World of Warcraft has (or had) it and for the 3 years I played it I only saw the world in daylight when I could play in the weekend... I will forever remember WoW as a dreary dark world.

For the next Zelda I would like more dungeons and underground areas to explore.



HoloDust said:
CladInShadows said:
I might be in the minority on this one, but one of the big things missing in BOTW was progression tied to abilities/items. I don't want to be able to access the entire map right from the beginning of the game. Make certain sections of the map inaccessible without a hookshot, for example. Slowly open up new, more difficult/interesting places as your character grows. And tie this in with unlocking dungeons, which there should definitely be more of. Don't give me every ability at the beginning of the game.

I know this introduces linearity but I feel that open world games have become a dime a dozen these days and I like a little more structure in my Zelda games.

Yeah, I would prefer that as well, I don't think Zelda should be sandbox open-world, instead more of narrative driven semi open-world.
To add insult to injury, climbing, the way it's implemented, makes it even easier to bypass most of natural obstacles or passages guarded by tough enemies, so even that as usual way to nudge player into certain direction and story progression is negated in BotW.

That would re-introduce some of the major problems that past 3D games had. Notably, the “find the needle in the haystack in order to progress” stuff that plagued the 3D series since Ocarina of Time. The difference is that the much larger size of the game map would compound that problem meaning lots of people getting stuck due to simply not being able to find something - this already happened in much smaller Zelda games making going to Gamefaqs or quitting the only two steps for anyone who didn’t have several hours to work on trying to figure out one thing - part of the beauty of Breath of the Wild is that everything felt like progress, and if you felt like you were stuck at any point, you could skip it - come back later when you’re better equipped, or ignore it altogether since there’s a ton of other things you can do to build yourself up.



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Jumpin said:
HoloDust said:

Yeah, I would prefer that as well, I don't think Zelda should be sandbox open-world, instead more of narrative driven semi open-world.
To add insult to injury, climbing, the way it's implemented, makes it even easier to bypass most of natural obstacles or passages guarded by tough enemies, so even that as usual way to nudge player into certain direction and story progression is negated in BotW.

That would re-introduce some of the major problems that past 3D games had. Notably, the “find the needle in the haystack in order to progress” stuff that plagued the 3D series since Ocarina of Time. The difference is that the much larger size of the game map would compound that problem meaning lots of people getting stuck due to simply not being able to find something - this already happened in much smaller Zelda games making going to Gamefaqs or quitting the only two steps for anyone who didn’t have several hours to work on trying to figure out one thing - part of the beauty of Breath of the Wild is that everything felt like progress, and if you felt like you were stuck at any point, you could skip it - come back later when you’re better equipped, or ignore it altogether since there’s a ton of other things you can do to build yourself up.

I get that developers these days are affraid of people getting stuck, but if that happens, I much prefer that to free-roam approach of BotW - i guesss it boils down to personal preference in the end, but BotW is quite far away from what i expected when they announced it would be open world. Some of my favorite games (like Might&Magic VI and Morrowind) are free-roam open-worlds, yet I don't want that from Zelda - there are really good story driven semi open-worlds that have quite a bit of exploration, yet they don't sacrifice main story arc cause of it, and that's what i think would suit Zelda better.



Jumpin said:
XD84 said:
Better soundtrack (BotW was in my opinion one of the worst of the series)
Better story

Did we play the same game? Breath of the Wild’s soundtrack is no doubt one of the best - I’d argue the best in the whole franchise.

Well then we just dont have the same taste in music.



Barkley said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Another addition to the next Zelda I thought of, but I imagine it won't be a very popular idea, is what if Link could talk, at least a little.

"Well excuuuuuse me, Princess!" *shoots cartoon Link* And I don't mean like that.

Or an interesting and bold move would be making it so nobody could talk! No voice actors at all!

(I played BOTW with Japanese voice acting on, I switched to english for a minute and when Zelda opened her mouth I wanted to die.)

*bludgeons you repeatedly in the head*

I like it just fine. In fact I wanted to give her a hug during the fall of Hyrule 100 years ago.