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Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Well it was his team, so I think it's still safe

Well, I will send your own word back at you:

deskpro2k3 said:

“[...] you need to grab a chair and sit down. Don't try to divert from the hard facts.”

 

Hard fact: Tetsuya Nomura did not help save Final Fantasy XIV.

If you want to do Hard Facts like me, then you have to do it right.

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source: https://www.giantbomb.com/final-fantasy-xiv-online-a-realm-reborn/3030-26847/credits/

Special Thanks: Hironobu Sakaguchi, Nobuo Uematsu, Tetsuya Nomura

I honestly don't know why this is a thing. I play the game and I see his name in the credits of FFXIV. You guys need to cut the guy some slack. This is a Tabata thread FFS..
 

Last edited by deskpro2k3 - on 08 November 2018

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Alright, so it looks like Tabata resigned of his own volition, even before the earnings conference. Then Square cancelled the FFXV DLC's because they didn't want to do them without him as director, and then they wrote the cost of assets they had already developed for the 3 cancelled DLC's off as a $33m loss. So he didn't resign as a result of lost profit, but rather the lost profit is a result of him resigning. But the question is, why did he resign if Square didn't make him resign? It says he left for a new venture, but what venture could possibly be better than heading up a whole business division at Square Enix? Did he just decide that he can't handle the rigors of AAA development, so he left to head up a smaller AA or indie studio instead? 



deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

Well, I will send your own word back at you:

Hard fact: Tetsuya Nomura did not help save Final Fantasy XIV.

If you want to do Hard Facts like me, then you have to do it right.

Scroll down.

source: https://www.giantbomb.com/final-fantasy-xiv-online-a-realm-reborn/3030-26847/credits/

Special Thanks: Hironobu Sakaguchi, Nobuo Uematsu, Tetsuya Nomura

I honestly don't know why this is a thing. I play the game and I see his name in the credits of FFXIV. You guys need to cut the guy some slack. This is a Tabata thread FFS..
 

LOL!!

You mean... Sakaguchi worked to save the game as well?? 

 

You have such an ego. You were wrong. Admit it and move on already.



Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:

If you want to do Hard Facts like me, then you have to do it right.

Scroll down.

source: https://www.giantbomb.com/final-fantasy-xiv-online-a-realm-reborn/3030-26847/credits/

Special Thanks: Hironobu Sakaguchi, Nobuo Uematsu, Tetsuya Nomura

I honestly don't know why this is a thing. I play the game and I see his name in the credits of FFXIV. You guys need to cut the guy some slack. This is a Tabata thread FFS..
 

LOL!!

You mean... Sakaguchi worked to save the game as well?? 

 

You have such an ego. You were wrong. Admit it and move on already.

I admit, I'm right. The irrefutable biblical hard facts is in the game's credits.



Isnt this the guy that was crazy about Lightning? If so, good riddance.



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shikamaru317 said:
Darc Requiem said:

He's the guy that actually produced a game. Nomura spent 7 years on the and had nothing to show for it but trailers. It's crazy to me that the guy that was brought in to clean up his mess and produced a game in 3 years is gone. Good luck FFVII fans good old Nomura is in charge of the FFVII Remake. You all are about to get Duke Nukem Forever'd

You can't really blame Nomura for that. For starters, the delays back when it was on PS3 were because they were waiting on technology to evolve enough to make the game possible. Secondly, Square works Nomura like a slave, they have him directing multiple games at a time usually, while also doing character designs for numerous other games. In total, he is credited for working on 25+ games during the years while Versus 13/XV was being directed by him (including 7 other directorial credits), It's a small miracle that Nomura hasn't totally buckled under the pressure that Square's execs place on his shoulders. Tabata may have managed to finish the game, but he also totally botched it in the process, destroying many things that Nomura had planned and releasing the game in an unfinished state. I'd rather have a game that takes a long time and is done right, like RDR2, than a rush job like Tabata's FFXV personally.

Botched what? Versus XIII never entered anyone outside of SEs hands. Its vapour ware, we have no idea what the game would have been like. This is all we have and its certainly not proof of anything 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIx9VJWSl8  

Y'all are bickering as if SE hasn't been in a state for much of the last 10 years of FF, clearly the problem is bigger than any one director/producer. 



shikamaru317 said:



Alright, so it looks like Tabata resigned of his own volition, even before the earnings conference. Then Square cancelled the FFXV DLC's because they didn't want to do them without him as director, and then they wrote the cost of assets they had already developed for the 3 cancelled DLC's off as a $33m loss. So he didn't resign as a result of lost profit, but rather the lost profit is a result of him resigning. But the question is, why did he resign if Square didn't make him resign? It says he left for a new venture, but what venture could possibly be better than heading up a whole business division at Square Enix? Did he just decide that he can't handle the rigors of AAA development, so he left to head up a smaller AA or indie studio instead? 

Maybe he just felt burnt out on Final Fantasy. He has been doing FF15 for how long now, it's been a fairly comprehensive project.



deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

LOL!!

You mean... Sakaguchi worked to save the game as well?? 

 

You have such an ego. You were wrong. Admit it and move on already.

I admit, I'm right. The irrefutable biblical hard facts is in the game's credits.

hmm, I'm not sure what's funnier, your ridiculously arrogant and condescending attitude, or that you put "biblical" and "facts" in the same sentence

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Otter said:
shikamaru317 said:

You can't really blame Nomura for that. For starters, the delays back when it was on PS3 were because they were waiting on technology to evolve enough to make the game possible. Secondly, Square works Nomura like a slave, they have him directing multiple games at a time usually, while also doing character designs for numerous other games. In total, he is credited for working on 25+ games during the years while Versus 13/XV was being directed by him (including 7 other directorial credits), It's a small miracle that Nomura hasn't totally buckled under the pressure that Square's execs place on his shoulders. Tabata may have managed to finish the game, but he also totally botched it in the process, destroying many things that Nomura had planned and releasing the game in an unfinished state. I'd rather have a game that takes a long time and is done right, like RDR2, than a rush job like Tabata's FFXV personally.

Botched what? Versus XIII never entered anyone outside of SEs hands. Its vapour ware, we have no idea what the game would have been like. This is all we have and its certainly not proof of anything 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIx9VJWSl8  

Y'all are bickering as if SE hasn't been in a state for much of the last 10 years of FF, clearly the problem is bigger than any one director/producer. 

We know enough to say that Tabata's version of the game is way different from what Nomura had originally planned. Stella, who was an equal to Noctis and had the same powers as him, got replaced by Luna, who was poorly developed and died so quickly that you had no time to develop an emotional attachment to her. The Emperor of Niflheim and Verstael, the Chief Scientist of Niflheim, were originally intended to be main villains in Nomura's version, but in Tabata's version they barely show up and both die off camera. Ignis was supposed to be Noctis' military strategist in Nomura's version, but ended up basically being Noctis' butler in Tabata's version, British accent and all. The planned Insmonia invasion and subsequent escape from Insomnia by Noctis and his friends was dropped from the game entirely in favor of Noctis and his friend's already be gone on a roadtrip when the invasion happened.  We know other details from a leak, but I won't get into those here since they aren't confirmed. We also have a good idea of what Nomura had planned for the combat system, based on that 2011 trailer and from what we've seen of Kingdom Hearts 3, which is way different from the hold button to attack system that Tabata came up with. In my opinion at least, Tabata did botch the game, though I don't think he is entirely to blame, it is clear that Square rushed him because they got sick of waiting for the game, he basically rebuilt the game from the ground up in 3 years. Square should have let him co-direct the game with Nomura, with Nomura's main focus being on KH3 with assistance provided to Tabata as necessary, that way development wouldn't have needed to be restarted and we would have got to see more of Nomura's original vision for the game.

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deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

LOL!!

You mean... Sakaguchi worked to save the game as well?? 

 

You have such an ego. You were wrong. Admit it and move on already.

I admit, I'm right. The irrefutable biblical hard facts is in the game's credits.

I see. So Sakaguchi is also credited for having helped save FF XIV.

That logic of yours is clouded by that hardon for Tetsuya Nomura.