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OlfinBedwere said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

on the same metric, how do you actually determine the risk of being falsly accused is not just as high as the one of actually being raped? a rape accusation does not correspond to an actual rape until it's proven, right?

 

Basically what I'm saying is you're correctly calling him out on on equating one "risk" to the other, but it goes both ways. Someone added in a comment women had a 1/5 chance to get raped and I fail to see how that's any more valid than his false rape accusation argument. 



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OlfinBedwere said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

I have as much evidence as you do for the contrary. Wich is no more than anecdotal if you exclude theese high profile cases. I mean I could say that the police and/or fbi report says 1 in 1000 women actually are some kind of victim, witch also does not mean actual rape, yet you will disregard it cuz you just dont want to belive it.

On your second point, that to me seams ovbious, but does that to you mean that there is always something true to it that just hasent been found? Because I dont beelive that. I also dont believe that every women is just out to get a man for revenge for any little thing. But you see theese high profile cases like the recent hearing and you can just garantee that there is political motivation and I will lean to its a lie. And im glad the higher ups also lean in that direction. Remember, we live in a country where is innocent untill proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.



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setsunatenshi said:
OlfinBedwere said:

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

on the same metric, how do you actually determine the risk of being falsly accused is not just as high as the one of actually being raped? a rape accusation does not correspond to an actual rape until it's proven, right?

 

Basically what I'm saying is you're correctly calling him out on on equating one "risk" to the other, but it goes both ways. Someone added in a comment women had a 1/5 chance to get raped and I fail to see how that's any more valid than his false rape accusation argument. 

I never claimed that to begin with, someone else made an obvious hyperbole to make a point and Im pretty sure that other person also dosent believe that such risk are at the same level.



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OlfinBedwere said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you not see the kavenaugh hearing? Acusations with zero evidence at all almost ruined that mans life.

How about recently the anzis anzari thing, one bad date and he got acused of rape and lost everything.

The talking dead guy, again zero evidence, investigation was made, cleared him and people still call him a rapist.

Mattres girl, who loved the rouf sex, heard another girl got the same frm him, acused him of rape.

Asian argento, theres a F**king picture of them laying bed together cuddling with a minor and she still trying to acuse the boy of rape.

You are just in denial if you think cases arent poping up all the time.

Me to was a weapon that got overused, now people just stoped being afraid of it and are fighting back. You SJW's just have yourselfs to blame.

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

What, the discussion was entirely about the feeling of safety. It started off with a list of how women feel unsafe. Neither for rape or false accusations was more cited than the feeling it could happen.So far I have to see proof for either in this thread.

And for secondly: do you know why we have built up standards for prosecution over the years? If you undermine them by destroying peoples lifes without a proper court, it will blow in your face. Because mighty people can manipulate suchj stuff muhc easier. So if in the future twitter mobs can pressure comanies to fire people the mob dislikes, this wiill surely not make our society better.



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eva01beserk said:
setsunatenshi said:

on the same metric, how do you actually determine the risk of being falsly accused is not just as high as the one of actually being raped? a rape accusation does not correspond to an actual rape until it's proven, right?

Basically what I'm saying is you're correctly calling him out on on equating one "risk" to the other, but it goes both ways. Someone added in a comment women had a 1/5 chance to get raped and I fail to see how that's any more valid than his false rape accusation argument. 

I never claimed that to begin with, someone else made an obvious hyperbole to make a point and Im pretty sure that other person also dosent believe that such risk are at the same level.

Correct. It wasn't about the risk itself and who had it the worst, it was about the feeling of safety, and how they both fear sexual assault in their own way.

Mnementh said:
OlfinBedwere said:

Firstly, that's not what I asked. You implied that men were at as much risk of being falsely accused of sexual harassment and/or rape as women were of actually having those crimes happen to them. Regardless of those high-profile examples you cited, do you have any proof that this is something happening in wider society?

Secondly, you do understand that "unproven accusation" doesn't automatically equate to "false accusation", right?

What, the discussion was entirely about the feeling of safety. It started off with a list of how women feel unsafe. Neither for rape or false accusations was more cited than the feeling it could happen.So far I have to see proof for either in this thread.

And for secondly: do you know why we have built up standards for prosecution over the years? If you undermine them by destroying peoples lifes without a proper court, it will blow in your face. Because mighty people can manipulate suchj stuff muhc easier. So if in the future twitter mobs can pressure comanies to fire people the mob dislikes, this wiill surely not make our society better.

It wasn't about the risk it was about the feelings of safety and fear.

This is tricky but here's a way to look at it. Imagine some bonafide individual came forward and said to the mathematics/scientific community, that they made a breakthrough and could prove that there is something faster than light, but they need more time to be able to properly explain how they came to this conclusion. Those communities don't automatically assume this is the new standard, or that it's even correct at all, they assume it must be wrong until it's 100% proven, beyond doubt, multiple times.

If someone makes a claim and can't prove it, it's basically seen to be false, until more evidence could eventually be brought forward to finally completely prove it. Documenting victims as unsolved ongoing cases, is more so to do with their feelings, and the fact that if the false accusations number is too high, legit victims will be less inclined to come forward, because people will be more prone to assuming it's not true. It's a harsh but true reality.

SpokenTruth said: 

We have a rape culture when the first thing we consider about the rape victim is why didn't they do something to prevent it and the first thing we consider about the alleged rapist is how this will impact his future.

We have a false accusation culture when the first thing we consider about the accuser is that they are to be believed no matter what and the first thing we consider about the accused is that they must be guilty.

We have a male hate culture when the first thing we consider about the accuser is if their gender is female they are to be believed and the first thing we consider about the accused is if their gender is male they are assumed to be guilty.

We have a ... endless amount of these. None of which are helpful unless they are clearly true, and all of which are harmful if they are not.

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Pemalite said:
There are certain areas of society where Rape is more prevalent than others and that needs to be looked at and not just shoved to the side or trivialized which some conservatives would certainly like to do.

One thing to keep in mind though... Is that a Youtube video evidence does not make, it's just an opinion piece and should be taken as such like any other opinion piece on these forums that isn't backed up by citations.

Hopefully this thread ends up being productive, but doubts have been had.

Bullshit, conservative take rape seriously. Liberals simply act like lunatics about it and go on witch hunts. If anything conservatives are sick of dems using rape for political gains.

If people want to discourage rape, I absolutely support that on paper. But maybe we should also discourage gang murders which are among the more preventable types of murder with law enforcement. It seems to be a big problem in left wing controlled cities. But going after gangs becomes a racial issue of course so lets ignore it.



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He's not wrong with his analysis. People just spread hysteria based fear. It's not about anything factual. And I love how the girl who says she was raped just generalizes everything based on pure personal experience. How do you attend college and can not separate an issue from personal bias. She doesn't understand that this is a critical thinking exercise, yet she resorts to yelling and hysteria to get people on her side. If she got raped, that's awful. But it doesn't change the fact that we're not condoning rape in any way as a society. I don't know who she hangs out with, but I don't see people around here at all saying rape is okay, or tolerable in any manner. Don't we demonize rapists almost as much as pedophiles? Last year, 30 reports of rape were found per 100,000 people (roughly 1:3,400). Do you know the murder statistic? Are you sure you want to know? If we have a rape culture, we must surely all be psychopaths too.

Talking anything about social issues is just asking for it not to be productive.



Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:
There are certain areas of society where Rape is more prevalent than others and that needs to be looked at and not just shoved to the side or trivialized which some conservatives would certainly like to do.

One thing to keep in mind though... Is that a Youtube video evidence does not make, it's just an opinion piece and should be taken as such like any other opinion piece on these forums that isn't backed up by citations.

Hopefully this thread ends up being productive, but doubts have been had.

Bullshit, conservative take rape seriously. Liberals simply act like lunatics about it and go on witch hunts. If anything conservatives are sick of dems using rape for political gains.

If people want to discourage rape, I absolutely support that on paper. But maybe we should also discourage gang murders which are among the more preventable types of murder with law enforcement. It seems to be a big problem in left wing controlled cities. But going after gangs becomes a racial issue of course so lets ignore it.

Exactly this. I would even add that its democrats who trivialize rape by making any little thing rape. They are trying to make any unconfort a woman feels a form of rape and want the same punishment for it.

While I would not have a problem if they are actually trying to witch hunt actual rapist, I think nobody would be against that, but like all witch hunts it started with something substantial and now they want to lump rapist in the same category as like the anziz anzari case, someone wo just had a bad date.



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atoMsons said:
He's not wrong with his analysis. People just spread hysteria based fear. It's not about anything factual. And I love how the girl who says she was raped just generalizes everything based on pure personal experience. How do you attend college and can not separate an issue from personal bias. She doesn't understand that this is a critical thinking exercise, yet she resorts to yelling and hysteria to get people on her side. If she got raped, that's awful. But it doesn't change the fact that we're not condoning rape in any way as a society. I don't know who she hangs out with, but I don't see people around here at all saying rape is okay, or tolerable in any manner. Don't we demonize rapists almost as much as pedophiles? Last year, 30 reports of rape were found per 100,000 people (roughly 1:3,400). Do you know the murder statistic? Are you sure you want to know? If we have a rape culture, we must surely all be psychopaths too.

Talking anything about social issues is just asking for it not to be productive.

Like I said before, these people have no argument. They express their feeling but no actual facts when they have nothing of worth to say. 

I also believe its a strategy the feminist started using that Since men cant experience what they feel during rape, then they cant argue with them about how they think its worst thing in the world. Even worst than murder. Its a way to shut down an argument by saying basically they cant weigh in since they dont have the experience. Like the no uterus no opinion on abortion thing.  



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eva01beserk said:
atoMsons said:
He's not wrong with his analysis. People just spread hysteria based fear. It's not about anything factual. And I love how the girl who says she was raped just generalizes everything based on pure personal experience. How do you attend college and can not separate an issue from personal bias. She doesn't understand that this is a critical thinking exercise, yet she resorts to yelling and hysteria to get people on her side. If she got raped, that's awful. But it doesn't change the fact that we're not condoning rape in any way as a society. I don't know who she hangs out with, but I don't see people around here at all saying rape is okay, or tolerable in any manner. Don't we demonize rapists almost as much as pedophiles? Last year, 30 reports of rape were found per 100,000 people (roughly 1:3,400). Do you know the murder statistic? Are you sure you want to know? If we have a rape culture, we must surely all be psychopaths too.

Talking anything about social issues is just asking for it not to be productive.

Like I said before, these people have no argument. They express their feeling but no actual facts when they have nothing of worth to say. 

I also believe its a strategy the feminist started using that Since men cant experience what they feel during rape, then they cant argue with them about how they think its worst thing in the world. Even worst than murder. Its a way to shut down an argument by saying basically they cant weigh in since they dont have the experience. Like the no uterus no opinion on abortion thing.  

I was kind of with you on the argument until you brought in the abortion thing to misrepresent the pro choice principle. It's not like you can't have an opinion on abortion, but the principle of self determination overwhelms your opinions on it. It's 100% a woman's choice how she intends to use her body and no one can impose the physical drain of carrying anything within her body against her will.

 

Her body, her choice, period.