Forums - Sales Discussion - Ps4 sells over 7m in Japan

SKMBlake said:
Signalstar said:

No one expects the PS4 to outsell a handheld  capable Nintendo device in Japan. The Switch is not the same gen as the PS4. The Wii U was a horrible failure that released before the PS4, at a lower price, and as a followup to a more popular console yet it got crushed by the PS4.

So you're saying your statement is partial, an excludes a competitor on purpose ("No one expects the PS4 to outsell the Switch"). That doesn't make any sense.

 

And you said PS4 is the one which will outsell its predecessor, so why do you compare the Wii U to the PS4 instead of the Switch, the successor of the Wii U ? 

Because he doesn't consider the Switch a home console (which it is by Nintendo's own words) most probably and keeps his argument to the age old arbitrary gen frame, which is funny since gens hardly mean anything after every other manufacturer has done hardware upgrades. Oh well, anything to fit the argument I guess. Let's pretend the Switch is not stomping the PS4 in Japan.




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OTBWY said:
SKMBlake said:

So you're saying your statement is partial, an excludes a competitor on purpose ("No one expects the PS4 to outsell the Switch"). That doesn't make any sense.

 

And you said PS4 is the one which will outsell its predecessor, so why do you compare the Wii U to the PS4 instead of the Switch, the successor of the Wii U ? 

Because he doesn't consider the Switch a home console (which it is by Nintendo's own words) most probably and keeps his argument to the age old arbitrary gen frame, which is funny since gens hardly mean anything after every other manufacturer has done hardware upgrades. Oh well, anything to fit the argument I guess. Let's pretend the Switch is not stomping the PS4 in Japan.

Let's be clear. The Switch is stomping the PS4 because it's a handheld (hybrid=home+handheld, remember?), and handhelds have been stomping home consoles for years. The Japanese market is on the go, not in the living room.

 

Like I said before, it's no surprise that Nintendo did a hybrid. They needed a portable console if they wanted some success here. 

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Celebration time. But still very low numbers when PS2 comes to mind.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Faelco said:
OTBWY said:

Because he doesn't consider the Switch a home console (which it is by Nintendo's own words) most probably and keeps his argument to the age old arbitrary gen frame, which is funny since gens hardly mean anything after every other manufacturer has done hardware upgrades. Oh well, anything to fit the argument I guess. Let's pretend the Switch is not stomping the PS4 in Japan.

Let's be clear. The Switch is stomping the PS4 because it's a handheld (hybrid=home+handheld, remember?), and handhelds have been stomping home consoles for years. The Japanese market is on the go, not in the living room.

 

Like I said before, it's no surprise that Nintendo did a hybrid. They needed a portable console if they wanted some success here. 

Then I am going to be clear as well. The Switch is as much a home console as it is a handheld. It is this exact dual nature form factor proposition to consumers that makes it attractive. The same could be said for the Japanese market, since they don't have to choose between two systems, but one that does both. It's not even me who says this, it is Nintendo themselves, within official statements and their own marketing.

The reason this argument is continuously put forward (that it is "just a handheld") is because it is an attempt to delegitimize the Nintendo Switch as direct competition to the PS4. They bring forward the handheld argument or the generational argument or both. These are false, deceptive and are counterproductive in a conversation about sales and prospects of these respective systems.




OTBWY said:
Faelco said:

Let's be clear. The Switch is stomping the PS4 because it's a handheld (hybrid=home+handheld, remember?), and handhelds have been stomping home consoles for years. The Japanese market is on the go, not in the living room.

 

Like I said before, it's no surprise that Nintendo did a hybrid. They needed a portable console if they wanted some success here. 

Then I am going to be clear as well. The Switch is as much a home console as it is a handheld. It is this exact dual nature form factor proposition to consumers that makes it attractive. The same could be said for the Japanese market, since they don't have to choose between two systems, but one that does both. It's not even me who says this, it is Nintendo themselves, within official statements and their own marketing.

The reason this argument is continuously put forward (that it is "just a handheld") is because it is an attempt to delegitimize the Nintendo Switch as direct competition to the PS4. They bring forward the handheld argument or the generational argument or both. These are false, deceptive and are counterproductive in a conversation about sales and prospects of these respective systems.

What? 

Did I say "Just a handheld"? 

No. It's part handheld. To succeed in Japan, a console need to be playable on the go, like on the train. That's why Nintendo did a handheld console. Or part handheld, who cares about the terms, seriously. Stop trying to fight for one ridiculous word that changes absolutely nothing to the reality.

 

Nintendo made a console that Japanese people can use on the train. So it obviously stomps the PS4, playable only at home. Simple enough this time? I don't even understand how some people like to lose their time writing pages of debate about "It's not a handheld because you can also play it on your TV". The customer who wants to play on the go doesn't care at all about if you call his portable console a handheld or a "home console that can be played as a handheld". It's just a completely useless waste of time. 

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Remember when people thought that it would never reach 7M lifetime?

Congrats PS4 for this amazing milestone!



Not too bad. I wonder if Sony will go with a "shrinkable" mobile chipset for PS5 with a future hybrid SKU in mind from the get go. Seems like the perfect solution if it's at all possible.



OTBWY said:
Faelco said:

Let's be clear. The Switch is stomping the PS4 because it's a handheld (hybrid=home+handheld, remember?), and handhelds have been stomping home consoles for years. The Japanese market is on the go, not in the living room.

 

Like I said before, it's no surprise that Nintendo did a hybrid. They needed a portable console if they wanted some success here. 

Then I am going to be clear as well. The Switch is as much a home console as it is a handheld. It is this exact dual nature form factor proposition to consumers that makes it attractive. The same could be said for the Japanese market, since they don't have to choose between two systems, but one that does both. It's not even me who says this, it is Nintendo themselves, within official statements and their own marketing.

The reason this argument is continuously put forward (that it is "just a handheld") is because it is an attempt to delegitimize the Nintendo Switch as direct competition to the PS4. They bring forward the handheld argument or the generational argument or both. These are false, deceptive and are counterproductive in a conversation about sales and prospects of these respective systems.

I have seem more Nintendo fans going on calling it one or the other depend on the situation to defend Switch (like if it could have all the positives from both sides but no negatives) than Sony or MS fans to criticize it. It is necessary to accept that it being hybrid it have the pro and cons of both and depending on what you like to play one will outweight the other to you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Its a great victory! Japan is a mobile oriented market, sell home consoles is hard.



DonFerrari said:
OTBWY said:

Then I am going to be clear as well. The Switch is as much a home console as it is a handheld. It is this exact dual nature form factor proposition to consumers that makes it attractive. The same could be said for the Japanese market, since they don't have to choose between two systems, but one that does both. It's not even me who says this, it is Nintendo themselves, within official statements and their own marketing.

The reason this argument is continuously put forward (that it is "just a handheld") is because it is an attempt to delegitimize the Nintendo Switch as direct competition to the PS4. They bring forward the handheld argument or the generational argument or both. These are false, deceptive and are counterproductive in a conversation about sales and prospects of these respective systems.

I have seem more Nintendo fans going on calling it one or the other depend on the situation to defend Switch (like if it could have all the positives from both sides but no negatives) than Sony or MS fans to criticize it. It is necessary to accept that it being hybrid it have the pro and cons of both and depending on what you like to play one will outweight the other to you.

People see what they want to see, and seem to be willing to say anything to fit their argument. What a surprise right? Now if you ask, if there are Nintendo fans that say that, then they are just as wrong as Sony fans claiming it to be one or the other. The correct answer is listen to Nintendo themselves. It is a home console that can be taken on the go, simple as that. It is in competition with the PS4, no matter how it is positioned. At the end of the day, it is in competition for the consumers playtime.