Absolutely! when you're in the lead you can get away with stupid shit. IF anyone else put out controllers with drift at the rate of the Nintendo Switch, that company would be eviscerated. But since Nintendo software is selling remarkably well, they get away with it. With Sony kicking so much ass, they can get away with charging more for their next-gen games because people keep buying them. the games are worth it. I'm not saying I LIKE it, but I am saying it's not as big a deal as you think considering the games are still gonna sell like hotcakes and most people don't give a shit about cross-gen entitlement. 

MOST gamers sell their old consoles and don't care if they get double copies. Believe it or not, more and more people are getting digital games and only get the collector's editions because they want the cool shit. I think that, while it's a weird decision, the biggest collector's edition with the PS4 and PS5 digital copies and all the pyhsical stuff is exactly what I Want. I know I'm a minority, but I'm specifically looking for an edition that has cool collectible shit and digital copies because over the past 2-3 years I've been steadily replacing my physical copies with digital ones...I've not used a disc in my PS (aside from Blu-Rays) since I think 2017 or 2018. 

Again, I know I'm the minority, but it's fair to say the people who want the super hyper ultra mega collection edition are going to be similar to me. 

Do I think it's a bad precedent? Yah. I never cared for digital only physical editions, but as time goes on I accepted years ago that it may very well be the future. digital is taking more and more of the pie, PC gamers haven't regularly had physical copies for decades it seems, and I don't see a problem with companies experimenting with different ways to balance the hardcore with the casual and the collectors. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I kinda hope it doesn't work and they add the disc or something, because it's clear that people are upset about it. 

Point is, things change. Companies will always be trying to find ways to save money and do different things. some things work, some things don't. It's all about how it's presented. Like I said, I don't LIKE this, but I'm not entitled enough to think I Get to decide what Guerilla and Sony get to do. they offer me what they want, and I can either take it or leave it. The market will dictate itself. 

IT's the same reason I don't hate Loot boxes and microtransactions like some people do. I have less than zero interest in participating and will avoid games that include it, but if they keep selling....sorry, that's where the market leads it. IF Fifa makes 11 billion a year of Loot boxes...then that's between EA and Fifa players. I won't bother. Clearly it's a good business model if it keeps working and making money. 

I'm ranting. sorry. Bottom line, yeah I think double standards are fine in some circumstances, and while I don't like all of this the decisions aren't as egregious as many people are acting. 

Yeah, I got the digital one and will be getting a steelbook if I can. I've decided that, aside from a handful of collectors items, I'm probably going to go almost all digital this generation. I stopped having interest in lending games, the disc drive just uses up more power to spin it, there's a higher risk of damaging the games, and I like being able to happily download to hard drives at will. I thought I'd be a last bastion of sticking to physical copies, but in the latter half of the Ps4's life, I realized that digital was way more convenient and have been slowly replacing all my games digitally. 

Of the 175 or so retail games I have on Ps4 (holy shit, that's a record for a single console by a WIDE margin), like 25 of them are physical only. About half of them I own both physically and digitally (got them physically then replaced them as time went on), whereas the rest are digital only (picked them up on sale). 

Instant delivery without having to give Amazon or Gamestop money, the ability to have TWO copies of any game (if I have it on both consoles, I can use my main account on Ps5 and use my friend's account on PS4 and we can play Dark souls together, for example) no chance of scratches or damage, etc. And again, the only benefits I cared about were the physical image on my shelf and the ability to lend to friends. Now that I no longer lend out (too many of my games never came back) and I Really only care about collector's editions...

Once again I'm rambling. you get the point, I'm sure. 

I also don't see myself ever playing Forbidden West on PS4. I got the version that came with the PS4 version, but why would I care if I have a PS5? 

Well as someone who primarily plays on Nintendo consoles, I'm not at all alright with joycon drift and I will criticize them for it any day of the week. I don't need to make any excuses for them in this regard. I don't really care how much ninty sells in this regard because the issue is something else entirely. It's wrong to purposefully leave that issue in your controller. It's wrong and it shouldn't happen. Since I can be consistent with my criticisms of any company, even my favourite ones, I can say for sure what Sony is doing is wrong and it shouldn't happen. Ultimately these are corporations and I am a pro consumer and pro worker guy so I will always defend workers and consumers against these giants. What Nintendo does with joycons is wrong and what Sony is doing with this is wrong. It's sorta exploitative of their fanbase.

And yet you did buy Switch right? So you may mouth here all you want, but since you put the money in the product instead of punishing the company, for them you have approved of what they did. Same with people complaining about PS5 games being 70 USD but still buying it anyway, or CoD being yearly and buying it, etc. Companies would care more if it did hit their pockets.

Not a big fan of the HFW 'upgrade' system as presented here. Do I have it right that $80 is digital deluxe only? So $60 for PS4, $70 for PS5, and $80 (along with the other deluxe extra's) for both?

What happened to the $10 upgrade from a PS4 hard copy (plus downloadable necessary extra's) to basically a PS5 hard copy?

So will the base PS4 HFW copy offer 4k/60 when played on PS5 like other base games being partially upgraded for free? That I might be able to live with. Otherwise it's waiting until the PS4 hard copy drops to around $40, then buying the PS5 hard copy when it's $40 or less, spending the same overall anyway.

I've mentioned before there's some games I've gotten on sale prior that were so good I felt it was only right to pay full price for any DLC, as well as buy the next game from that studio for full launch price, etc. However, with what SNY is doing here, how am I supposed to accomplish that? I'm not paying $80 for a digital deluxe version, but I would hesitantly pay $80 for a hard copy deluxe version. Though I will also say it would even my felt 'debt' out much quicker this way, because I'd much rather just buy the base PS4 copy at full price, then upgrade for $10 since I don't really care about the other upsell deluxe extra's.

Common now SNY. GOT upgrade and DLC was set up great in comparison to this and I was totally on board with that. I can only hope SNY is partially offering things this way to make the GOT upgrade path look reasonable in comparison, as it was already, so they can potentially backtrack to that upgrade system for any future games.

This for me is a step too far SNY.

Lastly, instead of $80 for either a PS4 or PS5 hard copy, I'd possibly even settle for the special edition if they offered the PS4 and PS5 version discs in that steelbook for $90.

The Standard and Special Editions are either PS4 only or PS5 only.

The Digital Deluxe, Collector's and Regalla Editions contain both versions.

My head cannon is that Sony perhaps doesn't want ppl to buy the PS4 version at a discounted price and then upgrading. Or, that it's possible to borrow your friend's copy of the PS4 disc to get a PS5 upgrade, so they see themselves losing out on money.

Either way, I think it's gross. I understand the reasoning behind an upgrade fee and have no issues with such a scheme. But to not offer it is just something else entirely. The best possible outcome is that they merge the Standard and Special Editions while keeping the Standard edition price. 

Regardless, this makes the game an absolute no-buy at launch for me.