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Jranation said:
And I dont get it. People said Sony wanted to do Crossplay for the PS3. Why did they change for the PS4?

For many, like me, that has not changed.  I support the notion, but am not blinded by the reality of the situation.

kopstudent89 said:
You didn't take into consideration that PHONES are involved here, hence why Switch will remain relevant

Playing on a Switch is by far preferable to a phone.  With a Switch I get traditional controls.  With a phone I get shitty touch controls and an overall less enjoyable experience.

 

But I have a feeling you already knew that but posted anyway.  Nice try though...no not really.

vivster said:
So that shitty thing Sony is doing is not shitty because they will be getting away with it?

No it is still shitty.  There is just no reason for people to change consoles when the entire subject will offer no advantage to MS what so ever come the next console cycle.

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Shiken said:

vivster said:
So that shitty thing Sony is doing is not shitty because they will be getting away with it?

No it is still shitty.  There is just no reason for people to change consoles when the entire subject will offer now advantage to MS what so ever come the next console cycle.

No one will change consoles because of it. Which makes it even sadder that Sony is so shitty about it.



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Train wreck said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well maybe, it does already.

Just look at the NPD prediction thread and where PS4 sales have dropped to over the last weeks. It went from nearly 600 points all the way down to 250, not very far above XBO outside of any promotion (around 200) and far below the Switch (428 points right now) http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/dev2016/post.php?id=8843004

Of course, part of this could just be customers waiting for the Fortnite PS4 bundle, but seeing how far and fast PS4 dropped indicates that this probably won't be enough to recover all the sales lost in between.

The drop is because the Playstation 'Days of Play' deal is gone, it was for a limited time.  It was the best selling console at both Bestbuy.com and Gamestop.com (and projecting to their physical stores as well) while it was available.  That tells me that when the PS4 has some kind of console deal, there is huge demand (Like the GOW PS4 bundle in April or the MHW bundle in January).  Outside of that, its back to normal.  Playstation's representation from Amazon is zero which also affects how the NPD predicting tool operates but we also know that Amazon has been wrong for the last couple months with PS4 system/games not being present on Amazon but still winning/higher overall on NPD.

What Amazon is missing is overly represented at Gamestop, so this balances out the PS4 sales data. The ratio between PS4 and Switch was almost exactly on point for both months the thread has covered yet. At the end of May PS4 didn't have a deal, GoW was out for over a month already and thus had only very limited potential to push sales anymore, the special GoW PS4 was already sold out, and yet the PS4 did considerably better than it does now.

I fact, the Days of Play version, which isn't counted for May, was already up for preorders and yet the sales didn't tank like they're doing right now. They went down a bit of course with the preorders and ended up showing a big spike in early june, but the loss in sales for May weren't not nearly as much as the sales of the PS4 nosedived this last week.

Since this only happened at the very end of the NPD tracking, it will be hard to notice safe from the fact that Switch will be pretty close in sales for June, but if this keeps up in July then Switch will win that month by a very large gap.



Shiken said:
Jranation said:
And I dont get it. People said Sony wanted to do Crossplay for the PS3. Why did they change for the PS4?

For many, like me, that has not changed.  I support the notion, but am not blinded by the reality of the situation.

kopstudent89 said:
You didn't take into consideration that PHONES are involved here, hence why Switch will remain relevant

Playing on a Switch is by far preferable to a phone.  With a Switch I get traditional controls.  With a phone I get shitty touch controls and an overall less enjoyable experience.

 

But I have a feeling you already knew that but posted anyway.  Nice try though...no not really.

vivster said:
So that shitty thing Sony is doing is not shitty because they will be getting away with it?

No it is still shitty.  There is just no reason for people to change consoles when the entire subject will offer no advantage to MS what so ever come the next console cycle.

it's more about developers wanting to tap into a 1 billion+ consumer market. Hence why many games are now coming out for phones, PC and consoles. It makes sense in the grand scheme of things. This is why crossplay and connectivity will become more important in the future. How much? we can't be sure, but some consumers might prefer to go with a console that promotes crossplay as more and more games become involved in this. 



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kopstudent89 said:
Shiken said:

For many, like me, that has not changed.  I support the notion, but am not blinded by the reality of the situation.

Playing on a Switch is by far preferable to a phone.  With a Switch I get traditional controls.  With a phone I get shitty touch controls and an overall less enjoyable experience.

 

But I have a feeling you already knew that but posted anyway.  Nice try though...no not really.

No it is still shitty.  There is just no reason for people to change consoles when the entire subject will offer no advantage to MS what so ever come the next console cycle.

it's more about developers wanting to tap into a 1 billion+ consumer market. Hence why many games are now coming out for phones, PC and consoles. It makes sense in the grand scheme of things. This is why crossplay and connectivity will become more important in the future. How much? we can't be sure, but some consumers might prefer to go with a console that promotes crossplay as more and more games become involved in this. 

The problem with that logic is that both Sony and MS support cross play with phone and PC already.  Next gen, Nintendo will not be a factor for cross play so if Sony says no...

 

PS5+PC+Mobile

 

Vs

 

X(2)+PC+Mobile

 

Without a 3rd big player, MS would have no advantage over Sony and therefore, regardless of who is holding it back, console crossplay becomes irrelevant from a business standpoint.



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VGPolyglot said:
Ka-pi96 said:
If people want to play with PS4 owners then they should get a PS4, simple.

Umm, it's not just those who don't have a PS4 that want cross-play, I have a PS4 and want cross-play too.

That's only because you've got bad friends. If you had good friends then they'd get a PS4 and you wouldn't need cross play anymore



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Shiken said:
kopstudent89 said:

it's more about developers wanting to tap into a 1 billion+ consumer market. Hence why many games are now coming out for phones, PC and consoles. It makes sense in the grand scheme of things. This is why crossplay and connectivity will become more important in the future. How much? we can't be sure, but some consumers might prefer to go with a console that promotes crossplay as more and more games become involved in this. 

The problem with that logic is that both Sony and MS support cross play with phone and PC already.  Next gen, Nintendo will not be a factor for cross play so if Sony says no...

 

PS5+PC+Mobile

 

Vs

 

X(2)+PC+Mobile

 

Without a 3rd big player, MS would have no advantage over Sony and therefore, regardless of who is holding it back, console crossplay becomes irrelevant from a business standpoint.

If mobile remains to be a player, Nintendo will remain to be a player as well, for sure. You can't include mobile but then exclude Nintendo. Makes no sense.



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flashfire926 said:
Shiken said:

The problem with that logic is that both Sony and MS support cross play with phone and PC already.  Next gen, Nintendo will not be a factor for cross play so if Sony says no...

 

PS5+PC+Mobile

 

Vs

 

X(2)+PC+Mobile

 

Without a 3rd big player, MS would have no advantage over Sony and therefore, regardless of who is holding it back, console crossplay becomes irrelevant from a business standpoint.

If mobile remains to be a player, Nintendo will remain to be a player as well, for sure. You can't include mobile but then exclude Nintendo. Makes no sense.

Mobile is not a player when it comes to AAA titles.  Lower teir indies or minecraft sure, but not every indie game is going to blow up like Fortnite did.



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Shiken said:
flashfire926 said:

If mobile remains to be a player, Nintendo will remain to be a player as well, for sure. You can't include mobile but then exclude Nintendo. Makes no sense.

Mobile is not a player when it comes to AAA titles.  Lower teir indies or minecraft sure, but not every indie game is going to blow up like Fortnite did.

But then why did you include mobile in your post?



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youre right except youre wrong. its true that we dont know what the next gen will look like, but a few things are for certain. there will always be less demanding online titles such as Fortnite, Rocket League, and Minecraft, that will maintain a core fan base. when (not if) those games get ported to the next gen consoles (including Nintendo) and Sony is the only one that still doesnt have cross play, they wont have their 75+ million user install base to fall back on. i know at least a few people who are currently on the market to buy a console so that they will be able to play these types of games, and Sony not allowing cross play has scared them away from the PS4. so in a few years when its time for companies to start dishing out all they can to entice people to buy their new platform, cross play will be a deciding factor for people.

and now let me just reiterate some points, just for clarity. Nintendo is working on another console currently, as they themselves have stated. it is currently as in the dark as the XB2 or PS5 but it definitely will have the power to play online games, as does the Switch. secondly, Microsoft has opened up several new first party studios that are all currently working on new games, meaning they will have likely be caught up to Sony in terms of exclusives when the the next gen consoles srop