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Sony doesn't need crossplay to sell consoles when it has exclusives people want to play. Crossplay only became a thing because ms needs it to compete against the ps4's player base in relation to multiplatform and hold outs want to play with everyone without having to buy the popular console.



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flashfire926 said:
Shiken said:

Mobile is not a player when it comes to AAA titles.  Lower teir indies or minecraft sure, but not every indie game is going to blow up like Fortnite did.

But then why did you include mobile in your post?

Because of Fortnite.  Right now, the only difference between X1 and PS4 is the ability to play that game with Switch users.  Both support mobile and PC crossplay.  I was simply pointing out that the Switch is literally the only factor in this debate.

 

However crossplay in the next get will not have Switch support outside of indies with less demanding visuals as it will not be able to hang with the two newer consoles on a AAA setting.  Fortnite is no longer a factor because those still playing are not going to buy a new console to play the same game.

 

It is also important to remember that mobile tech is one of the fastest growing in the industry.  By the time the new consoles drop newer phones will be able to handle higher teir indies that the Switch might not be able to.  However in this case, a heavily downgraded version is still a factor.

 

The only way I see Switch remaining relevant in crossplay is if another indie blows up like Fortnite did, which only time will tell.  It would also have to happen right around the launch of  the PS5 and X(2) while sales are on an equal footing.  The thing to remember when tempering expectations however is that Fortnite's success is the exception, not the rule.



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I need to find an article or thread telling me why I want crossplay.

At this point in time, crossplay ranks #259 on my list of "Things that matter to me when selecting a new video game console." However, it's right on the cusp of overtaking #258, which is "how much does does it hurt when I accidentally step on the controller."



Shiken said:

We have seen it time and time again, Sony needs to jump on board or MS will take next gen for being pro consumer and supporting cross play.  While it would certainly benefit us all if Sony did cave in to it, lets be realistic here...

 

The argument is that while Sony has more consoles than Switch and PS4 combined, they can pull this crap without consequences.  However when the next gen kicks off and they are on equal footing, people might favor MS for their cross play policies.  Well folks, that is a load of rubbish.

 

The fact of the matter is that when next gen kicks off, there are only two consoles that could even do it with eachother.  PS5 and XB(2).  If one side says no, neither can benefit from it.  The whole argument is only possible while Nintendo is still a factor in the whole cross play argument  and lets face it, they just barely make the cut as is.  When new consoles drop, there will be no Switch version for the games people care about (almost like there is not much now) and therefore MS will have only PC crossplay for major titles, which Sony is also willing to do.

 

All of this negative press is amusing TBH, and people also forget that while Sony has no cross play, they so not lock F2P games behind a paywall like MS does.  They both have their faults.

 

So the reality is that as things stand now, when next gen hits people are more likely to think about...

 

-Sony pumps out high quality 1st party games frequently while MS does not (currently)

 

-MS locks F2P games behind a paywall while Sony does not

 

-Nintendo won't even have a version of the online games for MS to crossplay with anyway

 

Sony is not stupid, they know this.  This is why they are not sweating all the trash talk because unless they drop the ball somewhere else, it is irrelevant.

 

Do I like it?  No, of course not.  But lets stop the BD about how it will turn people away from the PS5, because lets be real, unless Nintendo puts out a console that can contend power wise, it is a non factor.

 

Thoughts?

"Nintendo won't even have a version of the online games for MS to crossplay with anyway"

 

You say this and yet big titles like Fortnite and PUBG are getting ported down to weaker hardware. Ideally, any third party dev would want their software as scalable and as portable as possible as well as accessible as possible to maximize engagement with as many people as possible. This runs counter to what Sony has recently been involved in: locking down Fortnite accounts and imposing restrictions rather than promoting expansion and any PS4 owners who bought a Switch suddenly find themselves handicapped because they can't play the same Fortnite account on different pieces of hardware they own.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9C84pyjFE

 

Sure, big AAA titles will be first available on the most cutting-edge hardware like PS5, X2, or latest PCs but AAA titles aren't the only titles that gain massive success. Smaller titles are just as capable of being huge successes, sometimes more, in part because of their accessibility.

 

So I disagree that, in the long run, crossplay will mean nothing. It will always mean something as long as multiplats exist and Sony risks being on the wrong side of history on this one.



KLAMarine said:
Shiken said:

We have seen it time and time again, Sony needs to jump on board or MS will take next gen for being pro consumer and supporting cross play.  While it would certainly benefit us all if Sony did cave in to it, lets be realistic here...

 

The argument is that while Sony has more consoles than Switch and PS4 combined, they can pull this crap without consequences.  However when the next gen kicks off and they are on equal footing, people might favor MS for their cross play policies.  Well folks, that is a load of rubbish.

 

The fact of the matter is that when next gen kicks off, there are only two consoles that could even do it with eachother.  PS5 and XB(2).  If one side says no, neither can benefit from it.  The whole argument is only possible while Nintendo is still a factor in the whole cross play argument  and lets face it, they just barely make the cut as is.  When new consoles drop, there will be no Switch version for the games people care about (almost like there is not much now) and therefore MS will have only PC crossplay for major titles, which Sony is also willing to do.

 

All of this negative press is amusing TBH, and people also forget that while Sony has no cross play, they so not lock F2P games behind a paywall like MS does.  They both have their faults.

 

So the reality is that as things stand now, when next gen hits people are more likely to think about...

 

-Sony pumps out high quality 1st party games frequently while MS does not (currently)

 

-MS locks F2P games behind a paywall while Sony does not

 

-Nintendo won't even have a version of the online games for MS to crossplay with anyway

 

Sony is not stupid, they know this.  This is why they are not sweating all the trash talk because unless they drop the ball somewhere else, it is irrelevant.

 

Do I like it?  No, of course not.  But lets stop the BD about how it will turn people away from the PS5, because lets be real, unless Nintendo puts out a console that can contend power wise, it is a non factor.

 

Thoughts?

"Nintendo won't even have a version of the online games for MS to crossplay with anyway"

 

You say this and yet big titles like Fortnite and PUBG are getting ported down to weaker hardware. Ideally, any third party dev would want their software as scalable and as portable as possible as well as accessible as possible to maximize engagement with as many people as possible. This runs counter to what Sony has recently been involved in: locking down Fortnite accounts and imposing restrictions rather than promoting expansion and any PS4 owners who bought a Switch suddenly find themselves handicapped because they can't play the same Fortnite account on different pieces of hardware they own.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9C84pyjFE

 

Sure, big AAA titles will be first available on the most cutting-edge hardware like PS5, X2, or latest PCs but AAA titles aren't the only titles that gain massive success. Smaller titles are just as capable of being huge successes, sometimes more, in part because of their accessibility.

 

So I disagree that, in the long run, crossplay will mean nothing. It will always mean something as long as multiplats exist and Sony risks being on the wrong side of history on this one.

I would be suprised if PUBG came to Switch.  Happy as I like PUBG better, but suprised.

 

You speak like Fortnite and PUBG being ported down is the norm.  Sorry but that is not even close to being the case.  Most big games are either strictly mobile or strictly console.  Rarely do they mesh.

 

Also you and I both know that just because something CAN be ported does not mean it WILL be ported.  Switch can easily handle a scaled down version of Call of Duty or various other currwnt gen titles at sub HD 30 fps, but where are they?  If this is how it is being treated now, do you honestly think when the PS5 drops it will be any different?

 

I do not agree with Sony's actions.  However the way things are going, it really is still irrelevant unless Switch gets more of these games with cross play.



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Shiken said:
KLAMarine said:

"Nintendo won't even have a version of the online games for MS to crossplay with anyway"

 

You say this and yet big titles like Fortnite and PUBG are getting ported down to weaker hardware. Ideally, any third party dev would want their software as scalable and as portable as possible as well as accessible as possible to maximize engagement with as many people as possible. This runs counter to what Sony has recently been involved in: locking down Fortnite accounts and imposing restrictions rather than promoting expansion and any PS4 owners who bought a Switch suddenly find themselves handicapped because they can't play the same Fortnite account on different pieces of hardware they own.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9C84pyjFE

 

Sure, big AAA titles will be first available on the most cutting-edge hardware like PS5, X2, or latest PCs but AAA titles aren't the only titles that gain massive success. Smaller titles are just as capable of being huge successes, sometimes more, in part because of their accessibility.

 

So I disagree that, in the long run, crossplay will mean nothing. It will always mean something as long as multiplats exist and Sony risks being on the wrong side of history on this one.

I would be suprised if PUBG came to Switch.  Happy as I like PUBG better, but suprised.

 

You speak like Fortnite and PUBG being ported down is the norm.  Sorry but that is not even close to being the case.  Most big games are either strictly mobile or strictly console.  Rarely do they mesh.

 

Also you and I both know that just because something CAN be ported does not mean it WILL be ported.  Switch can easily handle a scaled down version of Call of Duty or various other currwnt gen titles at sub HD 30 fps, but where are they?  If this is how it is being treated now, do you honestly think when the PS5 drops it will be any different?

 

I do not agree with Sony's actions.  However the way things are going, it really is still irrelevant unless Switch gets more of these games with cross play.

"You speak like Fortnite and PUBG being ported down is the norm.  Sorry but that is not even close to being the case."

It isn't the norm now but third party devs follow the money and mobile moves big money. It only makes sense since mobile hardware dwarfs dedicated hardware: there's not only more of the former but it's also much easier to access and enjoy.

"Most big games are either strictly mobile or strictly console.  Rarely do they mesh."

For now but I think we'll see an increase in meshing to reach as wide an audience as possible.



Jranation said:
And I dont get it. People said Sony wanted to do Crossplay for the PS3. Why did they change for the PS4?

They are ahead this generation. Last generation MS was anti-cross play and Sony was pro cross play. Cross-platform helps the company behind in userbase. One of the ways console markers garner extra sales is leverage their online user base and the ability to play with your friends. Cross-platform negates the advantage of a larger userbase. In the case of games like Fortnite, They don't get their cut of DLC revenue from other platforms.

TLDR Sony was pro crossplay when they were behind MS. MS is pro cross-platform because they are behind Sony.

Edit: I really need to stop posting from my phone.

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pokoko said:
I need to find an article or thread telling me why I want crossplay.

At this point in time, crossplay ranks #259 on my list of "Things that matter to me when selecting a new video game console." However, it's right on the cusp of overtaking #258, which is "how much does does it hurt when I accidentally step on the controller."

Because crossplay enables one to play with other people regardless of platform, widens the pool of players to play multiplayer games with, increases players to play different multiplayer modes, shortens matchmaking time, can connect you to more people who are closer to you geographically thus helping ensure more stable connections.



I didnt really care if Sony did it until couple day ago when my daughter and niece were playing fortnite together online on the ps4 and my son was playing fortnite on the switch and he swore up and down he was in the same game as them :( still haven't had the heart to tell him he was not playing with them



KLXVER said:
I don't see the point in discussing this tbh. Nintendo and MS fans love it because their companies does it and Sony fans don't think its a big deal because their company doesn't do it. Game companies can do whatever they want. They don't need to serve the gamers anymore. Gamers are serving the companies now. Its like sports teams. Fans love them no matter what they do.

Thats not true though... look at the backlash MS got at the start of the gen for all the crap it tried to pulled, or for haveing 2 years without much in terms of quality exclusives.

There are certain things that can hurt them, I just dont think Crossplay is one such thing.
Lack of games is a much bigger issue, gamers go where the games are.

Look at Sea of Theives, all those people that championed Crossplay where lateron complaining how unfair the pvp system was, towards console owners that played against PC users.
They could litterality pull off stuff you couldnt on console. Then there was the issue of pc players useing cheats ect.

Shortly after there where tons of people complaining about cross play with PC users, and begging MS to add a way to turn it off.

Then this fiasco with Fortnite, and suddenly everyone is again praiseing how great crossplay is, useing it as a means to get a dig in at sony again.