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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Chris Hu said:
Azuren said:

I do like how the only one that bombed harder also went harder on the SJW-isms. I couldn't even watch the trailer for that train wreck.

Nah, it mostly bombed because it wasn't a very good movie it wasn't better then the made for TV version of the film.  Pretty much all of the time movies bomb because they are bad.

Weird, because I looked at the poster and thought "Dope, I loved that book!" and then immediately swore the movie off after watching the trailer. It may not have been very good, either, but the very blatant identity politics they injected into one of my favorite books chased me away long before the reviews did.



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DarthMetalliCube said:
thismeintiel said:

And your folly is thinking that no one outside the US can agree with "our politics."  There are people of all political bents across the world.  Just accept it. 

As for the kneeling, it must have had more of an impact than that if the NFL is now outright saying they will no longer allow it.  The drop in audience and merch sales must have been enough that they feared what would happen if they continued to allow it to happen.  The thing is the NFL is a BIG part of people's lives.  Many weren't just going to drop it, even if it the disliked the kneeling.  The fact that 10% just left is pretty shocking.  And the NFL knew more would leave this year if they allowed it to continue.

But, hey, you can continue to think the SJWs make up the vast majority of the US/world if that helps.  And ignore that even self-described Liberals are pissed that this stuff is being forced into SW.

I really wish people would stop associating hardcore SJW types with liberalism. It's not true liberalism. It's thinly veiled cultural Authoritarianism if anything disguised as fake virtue - people who view anything and everything from the lens of identity and want to exercise censorship, policies, and authority based around these constructs. If anything, it's quite a conservative way of thinking, or at least a neoconservative one.

Indeed ,that is like always putting racism with the right wing while those kind of extremists exist in all political sides but its easier overlooked on some sides :p



thismeintiel said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

I really wish people would stop associating hardcore SJW types with liberalism. It's not true liberalism. It's thinly veiled cultural Authoritarianism if anything disguised as fake virtue - people who view anything and everything from the lens of identity and want to exercise censorship, policies, and authority based around these constructs. If anything, it's quite a conservative way of thinking, or at least a neoconservative one.

People associate it with Liberalism (modern, not classic Liberalism) because that is how many SJWs would classify themselves.  People on the Left are also more likely to sympathize with their objectives and cause. 

I just choose to call SJW's Leftists at this point. Sure there are some crazy right wingers, but their whole thing starts with their rights while the Leftist focuses on themselves. To summarize, all Leftists are Liberals, but not all Liberals are Leftists. If you're a classical/moderate, I would love to have a conversation to express differences in views, but the stuff in Star Wars is just some sort of things that I cant find a common ground with.



Azuren said:
Chris Hu said:

Nah, it mostly bombed because it wasn't a very good movie it wasn't better then the made for TV version of the film.  Pretty much all of the time movies bomb because they are bad.

Weird, because I looked at the poster and thought "Dope, I loved that book!" and then immediately swore the movie off after watching the trailer. It may not have been very good, either, but the very blatant identity politics they injected into one of my favorite books chased me away long before the reviews did.

Again it bombed because it was bad, not because the identity politics they injected into it.  Blaming a movie bombed because of SJW or injection of identity politics is almost Alex Jones level of insanity.  Also the movie was directed by a African American female so if the cast would have been completely white like in the book that actually would have been weird.



Chris Hu said:
Azuren said:

Weird, because I looked at the poster and thought "Dope, I loved that book!" and then immediately swore the movie off after watching the trailer. It may not have been very good, either, but the very blatant identity politics they injected into one of my favorite books chased me away long before the reviews did.

Again it bombed because it was bad, not because the identity politics they injected into it.  Blaming a movie bombed because of SJW or injection of identity politics is almost Alex Jones level of insanity.  Also the movie was directed by a African American female so if the cast would have been completely white like in the book that actually would have been weird.

I would call it being accurate to the source material. Just like Blade or Spawn shouldn't be turned white. The sad thing is if that were ever done in today's climate, someone would be shunned for life. Maybe even physically harmed. Change a white character black, though, and you're racist if you have a problem with it. 

And adding SJW messages into a film makes it bad. So, you can't really say that it had nothing to do with its failure. 



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Corporations are more hooked on money than junkies on crack. The movie made something like 350 million dollars if I'm not mistaken and they call that a flop. It's gotten to the point that if a movie doesn't make more than a billion dollars it's a flop.

This movie is less successful than the others in the franchise granted but calling it a flop when it made 350 million dollars. Has the dollar depreciated so much that 350 millions is nothing?

thismeintiel said:

And any fans that have a problem with it are belittled and accused of being the scum of the Earth.  Yet, strangely enough, Kennedy and Lucasfilm expect us to still go see the films. My prediction is that Solo doesn't even hit $1B WW, possibly falling short of even $900M.  A very poor result given how much money Disney has pumped into the film. 


Only 900 million dollars? OMG it's the end of Disney, of Hollywood, of the earth itself. 900 million dollars is nothing I have more right now in my pocket in 1 dollar bills, what a ruin for Disney and Starwars. Let's consider suicide cause why go on living in a world where a movie will only do 900 million dollars. Starving kids in third world countries have more money than that.

As for the money Disney pumped in it it's much MUCH less than 900 million dollars. In my book that's called making money but yeah it's just me I guess. Oh and I almost forgot, whatever amount of money they poured into making that movie, 100 millions, 200 millions, no one is forcing them to pour that much, movies used to be made with much much less, big budget movies loaded with special effects. It kind of reminds me of AAA video games, they are costing always more money to make and publishers expect us to pay 60 70 100 dollars with the basic game, DLC's, micro-transactions and what not and they think they can simply increase the price tag indefinitely and that people will keep up with that...

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CrazyGamer2017 said:

Corporations are more hooked on money than junkies on crack. The movie made something like 350 million dollars if I'm not mistaken and they call that a flop. It's gotten to the point that if a movie doesn't make more than a billion dollars it's a flop.

This movie is less successful than the others in the franchise granted but calling it a flop when it made 350 million dollars. Has the dollar depreciated so much that 350 millions is nothing?

The movie probably lost 200M by now. Production cost plus marketing were around 450M, add to that overhead, taxes etc. and consider that cinemas take 50%(?) of these 350M and you get a big fat loss.



numberwang said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Corporations are more hooked on money than junkies on crack. The movie made something like 350 million dollars if I'm not mistaken and they call that a flop. It's gotten to the point that if a movie doesn't make more than a billion dollars it's a flop.

This movie is less successful than the others in the franchise granted but calling it a flop when it made 350 million dollars. Has the dollar depreciated so much that 350 millions is nothing?

The movie probably lost 200M by now. Production cost plus marketing were around 450M, add to that overhead, taxes etc. and consider that cinemas take 50%(?) of these 350M and you get a big fat loss.

But it's projected to go all the way to 900 million dollars according to OP and it's still a flop. EVEN if I admit that this movie costs 450 million dollars which is absolutely insane (if I were in charge I'd fire IMMEDIATELY the guy in charge of finance and spending), even admitting this, with 900 millions you still make money even with a very badly managed budget and a total price tag of 450 million dollars to make the movie.

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
numberwang said:

The movie probably lost 200M by now. Production cost plus marketing were around 450M, add to that overhead, taxes etc. and consider that cinemas take 50%(?) of these 350M and you get a big fat loss.

But it's projected to go all the way to 900 million dollars according to OP and it's still a flop. EVEN if I admit that this movie costs 450 million dollars which is absolutely insane (if I were in charge I'd fire IMMEDIATELY the guy in charge of finance and spending), even admitting this, with 900 millions you still make money even with a very badly managed budget and a total price tag of 450 million dollars to make the movie.

It's not getting to 900M LOL. Are you not paying attention to anything in real time?



CrazyGamer2017 said:

Corporations are more hooked on money than junkies on crack. The movie made something like 350 million dollars if I'm not mistaken and they call that a flop. It's gotten to the point that if a movie doesn't make more than a billion dollars it's a flop.

This movie is less successful than the others in the franchise granted but calling it a flop when it made 350 million dollars. Has the dollar depreciated so much that 350 millions is nothing?

It is a flop.  A movie flops when it fails to earn back its budget plus marketing budget.  This movie will fail to make back even its production budget. 

Solo needed to make $500M at the box office (theaters keep ~50% of the earning from a film) to just break even on the $250M production budget.  You add in an estimated $100M advertising budget and this film needed to make ~$700M just to break even.  This film will not even cross $400M WW.  So, in the end, Solo lost Disney ~$160M.  That is a flop.

It's the same reason TLJ is seen as a big disappointment.  You look at $1.33B and that looks great.  However, things have to be taken into consideration.  Disney only sees half of that money, which means they got ~$666M (hmm) of the grosses for that film.  Given that that film most likely had the same $250M budget, plus probably ~$150M in promotion, they made ~$266M off of it.  That might seem nice, but when you compare it TFA, its a poor result.  That films grossed $2.07B, of which Disney got ~$1.03B.  Given that it probably had a similar budget to TLJ, they made ~$630M off of it.  Enough to pay for TLJ and Solo's production budget, plus an advertising campaign.  It doesn't help that TLJ was predicted to make ~$1.8B WW, and its opening weekend seemed to enforce that estimate.  Then, the 68% drop the 2nd weekend happened. 

TLJ also had the dishonor of dividing fans, which caused many of them to just give up on the franchise.  This meant not only do they have smaller ticket sales for future installments, but much lower merch sales, where SW makes a lot of its money from.