"God of War is still a hack and slash game. It's simply less arcadey this time around. Less brainless. More grounded. "

>It certainly still is but not everyone is too happy about some of the changes.

"Since you bring up the shoulder camera, and say it's among the aspects that makes the game bad for the industry"

>No, I think GoW4's success after such a drastic change to its formula might prove tempting to other hack-and-slash game devs. An over-the-shoulder perspective on its own isn't automatically bad but walking sections are something I would hate to have in a fast-paced hack-and-slash. For whatever reason, now there are walking sections in GoW. I understand there are climbing sections too where little to nothing happens save for climbing.

"why don't you blame RE4 for it? That's the game that popularized that view point. And TLOU because there's a sidekick? That seems to be a very myopic way of judging the game. As if TLOU was the first game to do it."

>It would be unrealistic to hold Capcom or Naughty Dog responsible for Sony Santa Monica's decisions. Also, I recall the over-the-shoulder angle when RE4 released being relatively new. Granted, RE4 was also a drastic change for the RE franchise and I can understand why some RE fans would not be fond of RE4. That said, it's been some 13 years since RE4's release and there are far more games with this viewpoint around. TLoU is a new IP, it's not taking the name from a previous IP and changing the formula and resembling other games as a result.

"But I guess all hack and slash games need to follow the brainless, no shit given formula from DMC and Bayonetta. Anything different will end up being the bane of the video game industry..."

>No, hack-and-slash games don't all have to follow the same formula but as far as I know, most hack-and-slash games let you jump. This allows for evasion and facilitating/exploiting air combat. Allows for a new arena where flying enemies could be engaged for example and repurposing the buttons on your controller. No more jumping in this new GoW.

"Seems to me like you're bringing this guy's video here to get the opportunity of downplaying both TLOU and the new GoW."

>Or maybe it was to convey my worry about an established franchise like GoW seeming to take cues from TLoU? I don't care for walking sections for example. I like Half Life 2 but that has walking-talking sections to them which are crap and have no skip button. Gotta tell the story!

God of War 3 did the father-child aspect better if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure you haven't played the game.

That along with the nature of your responses to everything and everyone make me pretty sure this thread was created with an agenda. 

I honestly don't know. I think introducing new gods and mythologies could have helped the next GoW justify its existence. Kratos takes on new gods.

Some don't want the games they like to "evolve".

Well shit, if I could have the guy himself in this thread, I would. I can't though so I won't... I'll just try to represent his views as best as I can.

He does acknowledge there's a possibility the game will be good but laments, based on trailers two years ago, its distancing from its roots.

I have only played GoW1 a bit but most of my exposure has been through LPs. Kratos is just a fun character and his old voice actor delivers a great performance.

Just ignore this thread guys.

I've been answering your questions for the last few replies in a straight forward manner and I can't make them anymore palatable.

You're free to do so of course.

"He is an expert"

>I don't consider myself an expert. I defer to Bick Benedict on that front.

"played the first that released like 15 years ago, watched some lets plays of some others cause kratos voice is HOT"

>Hey man, I'm just saying the voice acting is great. Over-the-top characters tearing each other apart is my jam.

"and now its concerned about GOW changing the formula, what agenda is he doing ? He is just a concerned and totaly unbias individual concerned about the gaming industry, that is why he posted this totally unbias opinion of this game series he clearly proved that he loved, you know. This 94 or 95 metacritic game have the potential to destroy gaming industry forever you know."

>No, I'm just worried I'll find walking sections in the next Bayonetta. Kind of like single-player game fans worry about an abundance of multiplayer-centric games.

But I have yet to get an answer to my question: when did TGB say GoW games were hack-n-slash for kids?

It's distancing from it's roots because the game would've been boring. No one needed a 5th god of war game just like the others, this isn't MS first party. 

I have yet to play the game, but based on all the trailers and gameplay I've seen, I feel he has a point. Not just for this game, but the industry as a whole.

A lot of 3rd person games are starting to become very formulaic. Cinematic over the shoulder view, interrupting narration, heavily scripted set pieces and pretentious writing with overly brooding characters. If a game takes itself too seriously, it'll age poorly, assuming it hasn't already fallen flat on release smelling like a bad B-movie.

These things might not all apply to God of War, and it might do a lot of things well, but I can understand why a fan would be disappointed that a series that had quite an original theme and gameplay ends up being rebooted with a burnt out formula.

I'm referring to the heavy story focus, the graphics are starting to look similar between their games, the gameplay mechanics are leaning more towards realism (huge change for GoW). It feels like GoW evolved into something similar like other Sony games. I see similarities between Uncharted, TLoU, The Order, Horizon and now GoW. I'm not really complaining, its just the direction Sony has gone and it works for them.

Infamous:SS is an exception as that basically a super hero game. Knack is more hack n' slash, but also irrelevant.

The biggest issues with Ascension wasn't the gameplay. The story wasn't interesting and world felt uninspired. I would make the same argument for Gears Judgement, the gameplay was still good but other aspects that were lacking. While a game like Halo Reach felt fresh and raised the bar for the IP.

I like the new GoW, but it also make me yearn for a hack n' slash game that isn't so story focused.

Perhaps to you.

It didn't need to be like the previous games. It could have improved upon its old formula but instead Kratos can't jump any more despite Cory's acknowledgement that such a thing would have been fun. It wouldn't make story sense according to him.

Not that there's anything wrong with liking these kinds of games. Just that I feel the over-the-shoulder camera angle, walking sections, and parent-child dynamic was already covered by TLoU... Unless the next TLoU won't have these things?

Now I'm wondering if this new God of War has a sex mini-game.