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Pinkie_pie said:
I think it's possible this year. Didn't people here think the switch would be as powerful as the xbox one or even the ps4?

Its not possible at all next few years not alone this year. People thought mostly that before we know that Switch is hybrid that will use Tegra.



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Miyamotoo said:
Pinkie_pie said:
I think it's possible this year. Didn't people here think the switch would be as powerful as the xbox one or even the ps4?

Its not possible at all next few years not alone this year. People thought mostly that before we know that Switch is hybrid that will use Tegra.

I'm almost sure people still tried to claim that even after we knew that it was Tegra.



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vivster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Its not possible at all next few years not alone this year. People thought mostly that before we know that Switch is hybrid that will use Tegra.

I'm almost sure people still tried to claim that even after we knew that it was Tegra.

Well some people still didnt know what exactly Tegra is, how many GPU SMs andwhat exactly CPU Switch has. That thinking also comes from that Switch could have around 1TF power with FP16, offcourse that was assuming that Switch will work at full CPU/GPU clocks.

In any case, PS4 hybrid is not possible in near future and its big question if will be ever possible, because hardly PS4 APU could fit in handheld and in same time to have normal TDP and battery life.



vivster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Its not possible at all next few years not alone this year. People thought mostly that before we know that Switch is hybrid that will use Tegra.

I'm almost sure people still tried to claim that even after we knew that it was Tegra.

poster goes by the name z0m3le on neogaf and restera is notorious for spreading fud and sounding smart while doing so, at first he  was sure it's gonna have tegrax2, and he was saying it would match ps4, then we found out it was a tegra, and started making numbers from his ass saying it can match 80% of XB1. matching ps4 at 299$ is probably 4-5 years away.  



RolStoppable said:
HoloDust said:
Years - I don't think many people around here quite comprehend TDP limits of handheld devices, in addition to AMD's designs being quite inferior to nVidia's in that regard.

What is TDP?

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Basically: how much heat can the unit produce and therefore which cooling I need.



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Kerotan said:

So the chances of getting a ps4 portable that plays all ps4 games is pretty much zero. 

Full compatibility is much more harder than "PS4-level" power. So for which one you ask?



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The technology has been advancing so quickly that I'd say 5 years but the battery life could be even worse than the Switch and 4k in 15-20 and do we even need better resolution than 4K.



Mnementh said:
Kerotan said:

So the chances of getting a ps4 portable that plays all ps4 games is pretty much zero. 

Full compatibility is much more harder than "PS4-level" power. So for which one you ask?

Yeah, those are two totally different things, PS4 level of power will be possible of course in few years, but making PS4 hybrid (that basically means identical PS4 hardware in portable form factor in order to have compatibility with PS4 games) is probably not possible at all because PS4 APU is quite big and power hungry for portable form factor.



nemo37 said:

I will begin by responding to the main article. I think it will be a few more years until we get an SOC from AMD powerful enough and power-effecient enough to fit into a device like Switch. Although AMD has made major leaps with the new Ryzen 5 mobile (albeit those are still to constrained to fit into a device the size of the Switch, but the point is that the technology is moving quite quickly). On a personal level, I would love to see a portable version of the Playstation 4 because, as portable gamer (and one with a PS4 but with little free time to actually use it much), it would give me access one of the best gaming libraries anywhere. I really hope Sony does eventually make it happen, even if it ends up being a bit more expensive than the Switch is now (I would certainly buy it day one); though of course they have to look to see whether a higher price would appeal to the mass market.

Kerotan said:

Killzone, uncharted, the last of us, gta v, God of war 3 and many more beat anything on the Switch. 

This is such a flawed comparison. Just because those particular games are not on the Switch (4 of which are exclusive to Sony and so would never appear on the Switch; I could just as easily point to Wolfenstein 2, Doom, BoTW, SMO etc. to make a similar flawed argument) does not mean that the Switch is not capable of running such games. As SegataSanshiro mentioned, the vast majority of games that are available on both platforms (Skyrim, LA Noire, FIFA 18, Minecraft; Dark Souls and Bayonetta 1 remain to be seen since they have not been released yet) perform better on Switch. Based on these titles, one can assume that even the games you mentioned would at worst run on par with or, likely, even better if ported over (obviously though we will never know for sure because KillZone, Uncharted, The Last of Us, GoW3 are all exclusives; GTA V would be another interesting point of comparison if it ever comes).

Well, while I generally agree with this line of argument, the PS3 complicates stuff a lot. PS3 had an unusual architecture, that made it hard to fully utilize it. The SPEs weren't used properly by every game. First-party games were much more able to tap into that kind of power. Switch on the other hand has a usual and good understand architecture, third-parties are much more able to utilize it to it's full potential. The Switch is more powerful than the PS3, but comparing multiplats isn't completely capturing the picture.



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I would be really amazed if it was never possible because the Switch is already way more powerful than the Ps3 and 360 in docked mode and It's pretty close to ps4 in FP16. Battery life could be an issue but battery technology is also improving.