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Only major issue is it suffers from the SW-Prequel tech issue. Where in the Prequels technology looks more advanced XD kt can sorta work in SW, but is weird for ST



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shikamaru317 said:

Looks just as bad as the first trailer they released for it, sigh. It pains me that this is a prime universe show, because it looks like it belongs in the JJ verse. What the actual f*ck were they thinking when they made this series? Did they really think core Trekkies would be ok with a Klingon redesign, an inconsistent design language for ship interiors and uniforms compared to the other prime universe shows, and a plotline focused primarily on war instead of exploration? Neither CBS nor Paramount seems to have any clue what Trekkies want nowadays, and that makes me a sad panda The fact that The Orville, a Star Trek spoof show, and Prelude to Axanar, a low budget fan film, both look better than the actual new Star Trek show, smh.

Well, we were pretty ok with the Klingon redesign from the original design to next generation. We got a pretty good explanation in enterprise for that redesign but that was way later. I would hope that they have a canon explanation for this new style, but redesigns ate a pretty common theme within Star Trek. 



Looks as unpromising as the first trailer - it just doesn't feel Trek at all, more like Jar Jar Abrams's crap.

Plus Sasha from Walkind Dead...ugh.



Looks solid to me. Plus Michelle Yeoh.



For all the side criticisms, for me it really comes down to how boring this looks. Nothing gets me excited, the characters, story, premise, nothing. Star Trek is science fiction rooted in ideas, this looks to be empty spectacle to appease people who don't like or get the show.

Give me something with a fraction of the budget focused on story and base it after the events we've seen. Give me new aliens, new challenges for Starfleet. Bringing back Klingons felt old news even when i was a kid watching Next Generation. Now it just comes across as lazy and done by people with casual understanding of just the original series.

I don't know if I'll ever watch this, and that is sad to me because how much Star Trek meant to me growing up.



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It is filled with a ton of action. Which is what's making this feel generic. It's Star Trek Nemesis crash every 5 seconds. I need to see the other side of Star Trek. This trailer didn't do it for me. It would of worked fine if this was like season 4. Not as a pilot trailer. But Mudd? Come on... Stop using things setup later. Enterprise freaking did it with the Ferengi. Have they learned nothing from ENT. I thought he was gonna be Trilane's species at first. No it's freaking Mudd. Also, don't try to use Sarek's dialog to convince people to accept the series before we saw the first episode. That's just bullshit.



Looks fantastic.



StarOcean said:
Only major issue is it suffers from the SW-Prequel tech issue. Where in the Prequels technology looks more advanced XD kt can sorta work in SW, but is weird for ST

Enterprise has a double episode in an alternate timeline where evil Archer gets his hands on a tos ship from the future. While I apreciate seeing the old ship again, them walking around on the ship in awe at it's amazing future design and tech (analog button panels!) simply doesn't work.

Why the constant need for prequels, there's more galaxy to explore, plus a couple other galaxies to go to...



StarOcean said:
Only major issue is it suffers from the SW-Prequel tech issue. Where in the Prequels technology looks more advanced XD kt can sorta work in SW, but is weird for ST

Yeah, the first three Star Wars prequels had that issue. But Rogue One seems like it nailed it correctly: Even though the special effects were a higher quality, they didn't make the weapons look higher tech.

 

And on another topic, to comment on the franchise as a whole:

TOS - first season was almost ALL great, I would argue the best season of Star Trek ever. But season 2 and 3 was mostly weaker in all regards: worse acting, storylines were cheesier more formulaic feeling, but there were a few gems. There were some EXCELLENT episodes in this first season, which in my opinion, makes it absolutely essential to any fan. If you watched Stargate, one of the best episodes "The Nox" is based on Errand of Mercy. City on the Edge of Forever is often cited as the best episode, and I don't quite know why, it would be my pick for maybe 10th or 11th, and not just to be contrary either: I don't want to say it's bad, it's not, it's great, but it means there's A LOT of underrated episodes - especially when Balance of Terror and Space Seed fill out the top 3. It's kind of like pro-wrestling in a way, where some people decide "these are the top guys" even though many of the rest are far superior in other elements, and are unfairly ignored.


TNG - I found no season as great as season 1 of TOS, but almost all seasons were solid, easily much better than 2 and 3. It is overall a very solid series, and I can see why it was the most popular of them all. There's not really much to say on this series, because I don't think anyone contends how great it is.

DS9 - was a mix of excellent episodes, but a whole lot of filler. The tail end of the series was horrendously bad, with Sisko being deus ex machina solution to everything, and one of the worst written war stories I have seen in a science fiction setting. It was like Babylon 5-lite, and without much in the way of science fiction stories. The worst part about it is that Ronald D. Moore, who did such an excellent job with season 1 & 2 of the BSG remake, was the head writer of that garbage. I'd say cherry pick episodes in this series, there's about 30 really good ones, usually the ones featuring Garek, Cardassians, and Quark. The Bajoran/religion, Dominion/shapeshifter, and mostly everything else (baseball, weird random aliens - done SO much worse than any other series, throwback stuff, etc...). There's some great episodes in DS9, probably more than other series; but it also has the largest number of bad episodes of the entire franchise... well, outside of season 2/3 of TOS.

VOY - 4 and 5 of Voyager were my favourite seasons of Star Trek outside of TOS. It was a return to a much more science fiction approach. The first few seasons felt a little drawn out similar to DS9's later seasons; I would guess there was a push for long multi-season story arcs, and while great in theory, seem to fail much more often than they succeed.  Not to mention the roles weren't very defined, the cast was more ensemble run. Then in the 4th season it began to get really good: The Doctor and Janeway became much bigger and better characters, and they added in 7 of 9 for a third - Tom Paris, Chakotay, Kim, and the others, took more of a back seat (ironically, their best episodes were in the later seasons) - although still got featured in a few episodes here and there. The episodes were largely a lot better from here forward, and season 4 and 5 were both excellent. This also coincided with the ending of DS9, so the staff moving over probably upped Voyager's quality. There were some interesting Asimovian stories in Voyager, the most popular one "Year from Hell" based on Asimov's the End of Eternity. While the first 3 seasons of Voyager were weak in concept, the second season actually had a lot of great stuff... but then it also had the infamous episode: Threshold, which is entertaining simply because of how bad it is.

ENT - I have not seen it, ever. Despite the fact that it has Scott Bakula as Captain Sterling Archer.



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Quite interesting seeing the reactions of big time Star Trek fans. I'm only a very casual fan, in that I thought the 3 new movies were varying levels of decent. Never really bothered to go back and watch the old shows and movies. I wasn't aware all the new Star Trek material was so hated by the fans. My mom always told she was a huge Star Trek fan back in the day, and the the biggest punishment she used to get from her parents was not being allowed to watch the new episodes if she'd misbehaved.....anyway, she really enjoyed the new movies they made, so I guess I always just assumed they went over well with fans. Seeing the discussion here I'm suddenly thinking not so much lol

Anyway, @OP, I thought that trailer was a good deal better than the first, which had me dismissing the show entirely. This one had me like, ya ok....maybe I'll check out an episode or two when it releases, see if it's worth watching.