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Zippy6 18 hours ago
Wyrdness said:
Zippy6 said:

The CERO and them refusing to do a second version for the west was just speculation.

Ad-hocs latest statement doesn't seem to support that at all. They obviously knew CERO's requirements, it was not passing Nintendo's platform and content guidelines that took them by surprise. They specifically states they didn't meet Nintendo's content guidelines.

"Any game that’s going to be on the Nintendo platform needs to ‘meet [Nintendo’s] established content and platform guidelines.’ This is the key point. Nintendo has content guidelines. Our game didn’t meet those guidelines, so we made changes that would allow us to release on their platform. That’s what happened here. Honestly we thought this would be obvious since we’re the devs that released the fully uncensored version of the game on other platforms.

We initially assumed, like some of you, that because games like Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk are on the platform with similar types of uncensored mature content, Dispatch would be allowed to do the same. During the porting process it became clear that was not the case"

They say they are now working with Nintendo to address it.

"We’re already working with Nintendo on a path forward. While we can’t make any specific promises just yet, we’re confident we’ll be able to push an update to address at least some of the censored content."

Here's what I think happened. They were planning to release fully uncensored on the west. The uncensored version didn't pass Nintendo's content guidelines for some reason. They then didn't have time to go through the approval process multiple times trying to get a partially censored build to pass so instead released the fully censored Japanese build in the west because they knew that'd pass.

They're now going to work with Nintendo to uncensor as much of the game as they possibly can.

It's not just speculation as you frame it it's the actual reason as read Nintendo's response to the situation the guidelines are in accordance to each independent rating board only one of those boards (CERO) has guidelines that would block the game this is why games like CB2077 and TW3 don't have the same issue as they have a version specific to Japan that they submit as well Adhoc clearly weren't aware of this procedure for eShop they likely submitted the game for release across the whole eShop not factoring/knowing CERO's requirements, note Nintendo's response alluded to rating's boards. An uncensored version can release in the west with no issue as those guidelines will clear the game just fine, the censored version is most likely the same one they released on PS5 and they just used that just to get the game released globally.

Nintendo do mention ratings boards in their statements but the rest of their statement is about their guidelines, it's quite a generic response. If CERO was the only issue then AD-Hoc would have said they were fully uncensoring the game in the west in an update, not that they would "push an update to address at least some of the censored content."

Apparently it's not as straightforward as them being able to full uncensor it in the west and get it passed the console submission process. It looks like they're going to be uncensoring piece by piece to see what they can get away with and still appease the nintendo content guidelines.



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Wyrdness 18 hours ago
160rmf said:

Pretty weird indeed. They took all the cautious to contour this problem on PS5, but with Switch looks like they didn't even care or they thought it would slide with no hard consequences. 

Like, the game was all praise on the internet after its release. You would thought they got the buck to do a separate version for Japan just like they did with PS5 when the game was still under the sheets. 

Now they have to deal with refunds all the way until fix this... Well... Choices 

I wonder if all this controversy is giving visibility to the game as people are buying the narrative of being a case of another victim of Nintendo's tyranny

PS5 version likely is the censored Switch 1 version only ported over as they released the same day.



Wyrdness 18 hours ago
Zippy6 said:

Nintendo do mention ratings boards in their statements but the rest of their statement is about their guidelines, it's quite a generic response. If CERO was the only issue then AD-Hoc would have said they were fully uncensoring the game in the west in an update, not that they would "push an update to address at least some of the censored content."

Apparently it's not as straightforward as them being able to full uncensor it in the west and get it passed the console submission process. It looks like they're going to be uncensoring piece by piece to see what they can get away with and still appease the nintendo content guidelines.

Again they highlight the guidelines are in accordance to ratings boards that is the defining factor here and how other games don't have the same issue it seems more like Adhoc didn't know the proper procedure being a small studio rather than the guidelines being an issue.



Zippy6 18 hours ago
Wyrdness said:
Zippy6 said:

Nintendo do mention ratings boards in their statements but the rest of their statement is about their guidelines, it's quite a generic response. If CERO was the only issue then AD-Hoc would have said they were fully uncensoring the game in the west in an update, not that they would "push an update to address at least some of the censored content."

Apparently it's not as straightforward as them being able to full uncensor it in the west and get it passed the console submission process. It looks like they're going to be uncensoring piece by piece to see what they can get away with and still appease the nintendo content guidelines.

Again they highlight the guidelines are in accordance to ratings boards that is the defining factor here and how other games don't have the same issue it seems more like Adhoc didn't know the proper procedure being a small studio rather than the guidelines being an issue.

Agree to disagree. Ad-hocs statement in response that directly quotes Nintendo's own response makes it clear this isn't the issue imo.



Wyrdness 18 hours ago
Zippy6 said:
Wyrdness said:

Again they highlight the guidelines are in accordance to ratings boards that is the defining factor here and how other games don't have the same issue it seems more like Adhoc didn't know the proper procedure being a small studio rather than the guidelines being an issue.

Agree to disagree. Ad-hocs statement in response that directly quotes Nintendo's own response makes it clear this isn't the issue imo.

Ad-hocs statement is far more vague than what Nintendo put out which is a key difference they only state they failed the guidelines which haven't been an issue for other similar games, Nintendo's statement highlighted what the guidelines adhere to so we have more idea in what they entail.



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Zippy6 18 hours ago

I feel like game key cards get too much hate lol. Yes on cartridge is far better. But I'd still rather have a GKC that still has value after purchase than a digital game that's locked to my account forever.

Cartridge > Key Card > Digital

Maybe if key cards didn't exist the third parties would have used full cartridges, possibly with higher priced games. But they might also have just released as digital only on Switch 2.

Still should pressure publishers to use full cartridges, and it's a shame every time we hear of another key card release, but the other possible alternative of fully digital is much worse.



firebush03 17 hours ago
Zippy6 said:
Wyrdness said:

Again they highlight the guidelines are in accordance to ratings boards that is the defining factor here and how other games don't have the same issue it seems more like Adhoc didn't know the proper procedure being a small studio rather than the guidelines being an issue.

Agree to disagree. Ad-hocs statement in response that directly quotes Nintendo's own response makes it clear this isn't the issue imo.

The fact that Dispatch was censored on PS5 JP is what really gets me thinking it’s more than likely a CERO issue— but yes, ultimately, this is all just speculation. I personally don’t buy the narrative that responsibility lands on the shoulders of Nintendo , as that fails to account for PS5 censorship, but that’s just my take on the matter.

BTW: I cannot agree enough with your point on GKCs. I’ve made a post on this in the past on here, but ultimately, if anybody does legitimately care about having full ownership of their games, it makes very little difference if the cartridge loads a digital copy on the system VS having the full game loaded on the cartridge— the cartridge will die in either case, and Nintendo’s not going to lock anyone out of owning a digital copy of their products after servers have closed (e.g. see how digital ownership is handled on Wii U & 3DS). If you really want ownership: buy a PC, download the ISO files, and save everything to the Cloud. That’s what I do with a lot of games.

BTW (pt.2): FaceBook Marketplace is the best place for collecting Switch games for cheap. I’ve managed to get like seven or eight first-party NSW games for only like $100.



CaptainExplosion 16 hours ago
PAOerfulone said:
curl-6 said:

Nintendo Derangement Syndrome has been pandemic this past year ever since Switch 2 was revealed.

Genuinely weird how people can be so emotionally invested in hating a console/developer just cos it doesn't appeal to them. Incredibly childish.

What REALLY gets me is that a lot of those same people also turned around and jumped on Nintendo (Specifically Devon Pritchard) when Tomodachi: Living the Dream revealed that they have nonbinary gender options as well as same-sex relationships. Two things that they could easily ignore. Going on and on about how they've "gone woke," woke this, woke that, and it's all Devon's fault and she's already influencing them. Despite the fact that:
A) She's only been in her position for barely a month.
B) She's not even the CEO and thus doesn't get the final say on NoA's decision making, that's Satoru Shibata.
C) The game has been in development for years, LONG before she was ever in the running to take over as COO/president and thus had no influence in the decision - Nintendo has been and always will be led by Japan.
D) They promised fans as far back as Tomodachi Life's western release in 2014, when Iwata (Rest in Peace) and Reggie were still in charge, that the next game would feature same sex couples. 

They (incorrectly) jump on them for taking options away from players.

And then they jump on them for GIVING options to players.

Jesus Christ on a Stick, make up your damn minds and PICK ONE, you stupid, deranged grifters!!

rant/over

These people are almost as stupid as everyone who voted for Trump in 2024. -_-



Zippy6 13 hours ago

Finished Pokémon violet after 23 hours, 231 Pokémon caught. Thought I might try and complete the Pokédex when I started but no lol. There's too many now.

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CaptainExplosion 11 hours ago

I know Smash Bros is pretty much guaranteed to be a huge seller every time a new one comes out, but am I the only one who wishes Nintendo did a new one on one traditional fighting game like Killer Instinct?