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RolStoppable said:
vivster said:
I think it's generally silly to elevate piracy to the level that it is. When it only hurts the industry a tiny tiny fraction of what the second hand market does.

I am afraid that you are being serious.

I am and I think it's ridiculous talking about piracy and how it is destroying the industry.

"Pirates are so disgusting. Just taking something without paying the creator. No wonder it's illegal. Oh look, there are second hand games! Let's get them without paying the creator for it. Good thing that we're the good ones"



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Zkuq said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Emulation is amazing.

 

Mini NES = Emulation

XB360 BC = Emulation

An excellent point that also proves quite nicely that emulation and piracy aren't the same thing because otherwise all official backwards compatibility is piracy.

You see anyone bringing up piracy in Mini Nes or XB360 BC threads? VC threads? No.

If you look for a link to download Cemu however, you're bound to get it packaged with a cracked version of BotW. How is it not linked to piracy?



Mnementh said:
Acevil said:

Partly confused because to me they go hand and hand. Similar to when you are talking about console device you are going to talk about games. Sorry but piracy is part of emulation, that is why it is discussed with emulation. 

Nope. Say your NES is broken, but you dump the ROM of your module of a game and play it in say Nestopia. In no step piracy is involved. You play your own game you paid for.

How many you thinking actually legally within the terms and definations, backup their NES, SNES, etc and use emulators, versus how many simply go to website and download it, or torrent the games, which is generally on the side of illegal, but not really enforcable, outside of the many fun times companies have enforced it. 

SvennoJ said:
Zkuq said:

An excellent point that also proves quite nicely that emulation and piracy aren't the same thing because otherwise all official backwards compatibility is piracy.

You see anyone bringing up piracy in Mini Nes or XB360 BC threads? VC threads? No.

If you look for a link to download Cemu however, you're bound to get it packaged with a cracked version of BotW. How is it not linked to piracy?

Agreed 100%, if we are purely speaking about console emulating their own product, no one will ever mention piracy. 



 

Phronesis said:
I am really annoyed how PC gamers are trying to say that emulator is not piracy. Of course it is. Nobody is naive enough to think that you're gonna download just the emulator and leave as that. The percentage of players that will emulate that already own the game... Such a small number...

I believe we need to support things we like. Atlus had a really difficult time making Persona, it almost wasn't released. And after all this, people prefer to donate to a random guy instead of actually buying the game itself?

Even though I play on PC, I dislike all this talk about "master race". There isn't such thing, all systems have value. What PC Gamers do online is be really proud of how they can "outsmart" a company while saying that consoles are "inferior", however every single time they make petitions to play Bloodborne, Persona, Zelda or Master Chief Collection. Come on...

If you don't like being criticized just don't do such childish acts. There is a correlation of why most developers do a game for console and just port to PC, and the reason is this kind of behavior of piracy.

And the emulation is just so bad. 2 or 3 years of development to play at 10fps with glitchs and sometimes no sound, such as Mario Kart 8? And this result running in a high end PC... It's much easier to buy a Nintendo Switch.

"ANYTHING LESS THAN 1080p 60 FPS IS UNPLAYBLE! PC MASTER RACE!"

Dude your pirated BotW is running at 15 fps. -_-

"WHAT YOU YOU TALKING ABOUT CONSOLE NOOB! IT"S PERFECTLY PLAYABLE, AND YOUR JUST JEALOUS THAT I STOLE THIS GAME!"




BasilZero said:
Bristow9091 said:


1) You are, of course, free to make threads about emulation and such, since as you've said, it's not against the rules, that is true. However, making a thread on a rather controversial topic and expecting only positive opinions and thoughts, without any disagreements, is just wishful thinking... it's like making a Donald Trump appreciation thread, it'd be impossible to NOT have opposing opinions clash within in.

2) Something that you've mentioned over and over, which I strongly disagree with, is that emulation and piracy are not related... in my opinion, and it would appear the opinion of others here too, emulation and piracy pretty much go hand in hand, talking about emulation will naturally, over a course of time, lead to talk of piracy.


3) You're saying that people who talk about piracy in an emulation thread are going off topic, when it really isn't, it's just the other side of the coin... the emulation talk and "Look how much better we can make this game look and run!" stuff is the positive side of said coin, whereas the piracy talk is the negative.

4) Of course, not all emulation leads to piracy, and I was never trying to imply that...

5) however, I do think it's safe to assume that the majority of, let's call it unofficial emulation (ie. Not backwards comparability or backed by the owners of the consoles you're emulating), don't own the original products they're emulating, and have done so through means of piracy.

6) Where I am is somewhere in the middle of it all, although I do think I lean more towards piracy since that's how I've always seen the majority of emulation used for, rather than buying the games, people have downloaded them and used an emulator in order to play them.

7) I'm not going to call people out over emulation, either in a post or by making a thread about it, but I do think that if you have the right to make a thread about it, then people also have the right to debate it, whether it be in the same thread or its own, since as I've said, I do believe that you can't talk about one without the other coming up, and having a good ol' back and forth is a good thing, as long as you keep it civil.

8) Also just so you know, the mod team has heard you, it's been brought up in the mod chat, and the decision is this;
We are going to let things stay how they are. We won't be moderating emulation threads or people who disagree with the topic and bring up piracy within said threads, unless of course either the threads or individual posts include the promotion of piracy, and/or links to illegal downloads and/or sources.

 

 

1) So you are encouraging people to go ahead and make offtopic shit posts? So I'm guessing when a person makes a car thread, I can shitpost how they are hurting the environment?

2) That isnt true whatsoever. Just because emulation can lead to piracy doesnt necessarily mean emulation is used for piracy reasons. You are also promoting discord in a topic of discussion that is deemed fine according to the rules of this forum but bypassing another rule in the same process? What is logic?

3) "HEY, XBox players, dont buy a Xbox, because you can buy the first party games on PC and all third party titles on playstation!" - would you allow a response like this in the Xbox Empire thread? Please answer this specifically, I want to know.

4) But that is exactly what you referenced to exactly in #3

5) Can you prove that the users who engage in the topic on THIS FORUM do exactly that? Or are you basing that because of the entire internet? Thats like that one guy who blamed an entire group of people because their leader of their country are acting in a certain way. You are pointing blame to people here who do not engage in that (as far as I know).

6) What happened to #4!?!??!

7) So you are okay with people shitposting? So I take it I can go to the Xbox thread and tell people not to buy first party games on Xbox One because you can play it on Windows 10 PCs and not to buy multiplats because you can play them at a better resolution and better frame rate on the PS4? You are fine with that? Thats exactly what you are saying here in comparison. "You cant talk about one without the other" which means I can do the earlier stated right?

8) So a cop out, none of the moderators have the gall to decide to put a end to the actual issue on hand. You'd rather have the community go after each other's necks for a pointless endless and mindless argument?

Its no wonder this forum is dying and becoming a shithole.

 

Whatever fuck it. There's better forums to discuss this stuff anyways.

You got mad before when someone said this term, but it applies huge to you. You basically want a safe space to talk about your "emulation"

Open any topic on this website and no matter how good natured the topic is, you will have the flip side of that coin. Someone saying the game sucks, someone saying their game is laggy, someone saying ect.

To call out the mods and want them to force your EMULATION thread to be purely a positive topic is just being a needy crybaby.

As for emulation and piracy, for every 1 legal emulator you have 99 that are using it for piracy. And those "legal" emulators, the majority of them probably also downloaded their rom of said game. So even though they may have a physcial copy of said game, they still illegally downloaded said game. Very very very few actually rip said game themselves.

So if Nintendo or Atlus (seeing as Persona 5 and BOTW are the main topics these days) went after you, they most likely would win. Sure you coudl show the judge your copy of said game, but they woudl have proof of your IP/computer/whatever downloading an illegal copy of said game online. You are guilty of piracy.

Same as if you buy a Music CD and yet still illegally download those same songs you purchased online for use on some other devices. The courts will still find you guilty of piracy, which you are. You illegally downloaded material not yours and used it.



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Flilix said:
Just ban emulation threads altogether.

We aren't allowed to talk about Virtual Console and NES mini anymore? What do you think emulation is?



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Mnementh said:
Flilix said:
Just ban emulation threads altogether.

We aren't allowed to talk about Virtual Console and NES mini anymore? What do you think emulation is?

I mean unofficial emulation.



SvennoJ said:
Zkuq said:

An excellent point that also proves quite nicely that emulation and piracy aren't the same thing because otherwise all official backwards compatibility is piracy.

You see anyone bringing up piracy in Mini Nes or XB360 BC threads? VC threads? No.

If you look for a link to download Cemu however, you're bound to get it packaged with a cracked version of BotW. How is it not linked to piracy?

People have been pretty much saying that emulation is piracy. Backwards compatiblity is a simple proof it's not. Either it is piracy or it isn't. It can't depend on the context.

I did try looking for a download link now that you mentioned it. Didn't find BotW, but I did see Bayonetta 2 and Mario Kart 8 on the first page. Just looking for Cemu didn't yield anything shady though. Still, emulation itself is not piracy. Games are often obtained by pirating them and then emulated, but emulation itself is not related to piracy at all. Go on, try to define emulation and see if you can find anything related to piracy in the definition.



Flilix said:
Mnementh said:

We aren't allowed to talk about Virtual Console and NES mini anymore? What do you think emulation is?

I mean unofficial emulation.

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Most people who emulate don't own the original product. As such, emulation and piracy go hand in hand, regardless of those who actually follow the law.



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