When Wii was successful that right their was the day Ninty would never make a traditional console ever again

Just with regards to some of the historical Nintendo console discussion, I do think it's fair to note a few things though.

For one there's a tendency to overrate (if you will) "success". Like the thinking that

NES = godlike execution because it sold well
GameCube = terrible because it didn't sell well

Well I mean if you gave the GameCube the same circumstances the NES had .... only Sega really to compete against (so lets remove Sony and MS) and also gave the GameCube a lock out chip that forced third parties to only make GameCube games (so now Final Fantasy X, Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, TimeSplitters, etc. etc. are all GameCube exclusive) who doesn't think the GameCube sells at least 65 million with the same circumstances?

Hell, it'd probably sell 150 million like the PS2 did. And vice versa, if Sony and MS were a thing in the console market in the 80s and you remove the NES' monopoly (basically) on third parties and even move it so that Sony has the majority of those games instead of Nintendo, the NES would probably lose and lose royally. 

D-Pads and hardware concepts don't change that from happening. 

The level of competition and circumstances of the generation make a huge difference to the end result. 

Because if we go that route, we might have to admit that maybe, MAYBE Ninty isnt the be all end all in this whole video game thing. and when faced with actual competition...well you see what's been happening

They should continue to innovate, even if they fail sometimes. Traditional is boring and not interesting, it's better to test new ways to play and engage in games.

Yup, even Iwata himself said Nintendo sucks at competing, lol. 

The NES era was great obviously but to put it on a pedestal and completely shit on GameCube and say the GameCube was "wrong", well ok, there's plenty of criticism of the GameCube that's fair, but if the GameCube could talk it'd probably say "hey, life's not so fucking easy when you don't have every third party game exclusive and only have to compete against Sega, a company that is dwarfed financially by Nintendo". 

Nintendo bullied Sega to the point where they even got retailers to not stock Sega products period, during the Genesis days Sega had to fight just to get the Genesis into stores because Nintendo had an iron clad grip on the retail market. 

Give the GameCube the same circumstances and it would sell past the NES even. So is the 'concept' of the system itself "wrong" then? No. It just shows Nintendo is not so tough as a console maker when they don't have the advantage of a third party monopoly and weak competetion to stomp all over.

They do deserve criticism for taking such a good situation and naively allowing others to move onto their turf, but that is a different can of worms. They should have just bought off Sony and let them release their stupid little SNES CD-ROM and allowed it to fail or be a Japan only thing like the Satelview and Famicom Disk Drive was, and then just given them the contract for the N64 sound chip again to appease them. There was no sense in making an enemey out of them. 

Well, it's not really that it's copying so much as it's just how stardard gaming is like, with the console and a controller, and Nintendo originally used to do that. And it's not really about doing what Sony and MS is doing, but just assuring it's a console that can get as many games as possible. If a large library is there, then likely more people are going to buy the system, whether as a primary or secondary.

But yeah, whether they go the safe route, or the innovative route, I just want Nintendo to succeed, and which one is the better route, I'm not really sure.

From my perspective they should, i really enjoyed N64 and Gamecube and i really disliked Wii and Wii U. From their perspective on the other hand they shouldn't because when it comes to traditional home consoles Sony's been dominating since PSOne and there's nothing they can do but to offer something different (it worked with Wii).

That's when it comes to home consoles, with handhelds they are doing fine (Switch is both handheld and home so let's see how they do).

That doesn't really address the issue, the audience for mainstream, western focused software is simply not on Nintendo consoles and hasn't been for 15-20 years.

You didn't answer the questions at all, why would people who already own a PS4/XBO buy a Nintendo version of those consoles? Why would people looking for a new console to play AAA 3rd party titles choose Nintendo over PS4/XBO?

And why should it continue to be that way? I don't think it should really, and Nintendo should try to push more for those games on their consoles. And I'm not looking at it as "Why people should choose Nintendo over PS4/XBO", but why people should choose Nintendo. Perhaps portability of the Switch is the way to go, although it'll be lacking some big games from other consoles, or maybe a standard console that can play those multiplatform games and Nintendo games is. I don't know, and that's where I'm torn. I'm not really saying either one is right.

Because thats the way it works. Nintendo doesnt exist in a vacuum people are generally going to either choose between Nintendo PS or Xbox