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Shaddup, you Pony! 676 36.13%
 
Switch > PC/PS4/XBO 376 20.10%
 
I can buy them all, anyway 99 5.29%
 
Nintendon't need more 29 1.55%
 
Keep only doing handhelds 81 4.33%
 
Maybe one more gen... 78 4.17%
 
Sounds good! 277 14.80%
 
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Don't care about Nintendo 125 6.68%
 
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Total:1,871
KBG29 on 17 March 2017
BraLoD said:
Funny my thread got back at making some people mad, lol.

People asking for it to be locked because can't stand an opinion, people going for personal attacks, fanboysm, and severe lack of actually trying to understand anything coming here to try to crack a joke on themselves...

The Switch launch has actually boosted my opinion on it, weak hardware already having problems with a first party launch title that was developed for their last system, overpriced hardware and companion pieces, Nintendo not even making a custom chip for it and releasing a Shield system with their brand written on it...

Yeah, going 3rd party would be great.

I definitly agree with the bolded. Especilly the fact that this thing can't even handle Zelda at 900p is pretty much a nail in the coffin for me. Nintendo just can not compete in the hardware business. I really wanted them to. I wanted Switch to be a device that could finally break us free from Android and iOSs stagnate reign on the mobile industry, but a lack of 4G, no apps, and underpowered hardware just can not be excused. 

All Switch has done, is left me wondering how great Mario Odyssey and Zelda would have looked if they were built for PS4/XBO, or a handheld built on current tech. I really want Nintendo games, and I want them to be at the same level of quality as the rest of the industry, not on par with stuff from consoles that released in 2005 and 2006.

I still plan to get witch this holiday for Mario Odyssy, but I really hope, that at the least a Switch revision is not far in the future.



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aikohualda on 17 March 2017

Nintendo still pushes the envelope of video games... sure they can go third parties... but not having at least a handheld platform will be very disappointing...

two generic consoles (generic doesn't mean bad... but same old console but more powerful) is not enough to some people...

i don't think mobile games will satisfy that yet...

so i hope they don't go third party yet... maybe a merge with microsoft would be a better option...



 

FallingTitan on 17 March 2017

What about this?

Nintendo goes 3rd PARTY.

FOR ONLY OLD GAMES.

So lets say BOTW jsut came out. In 3 years it comes to PS4 etc.



0D0 on 17 March 2017
vivster said:
Actually every single console manufacturer should go 3rd party to PC and mobile. This is not unique to Nintendo.

No. Although PC has lots of pros, I still prefer consoles.



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Trunkin on 17 March 2017
KBG29 said:
BraLoD said:
Funny my thread got back at making some people mad, lol.

People asking for it to be locked because can't stand an opinion, people going for personal attacks, fanboysm, and severe lack of actually trying to understand anything coming here to try to crack a joke on themselves...

The Switch launch has actually boosted my opinion on it, weak hardware already having problems with a first party launch title that was developed for their last system, overpriced hardware and companion pieces, Nintendo not even making a custom chip for it and releasing a Shield system with their brand written on it...

Yeah, going 3rd party would be great.

I definitly agree with the bolded. Especilly the fact that this thing can't even handle Zelda at 900p is pretty much a nail in the coffin for me. Nintendo just can not compete in the hardware business. I really wanted them to. I wanted Switch to be a device that could finally break us free from Android and iOSs stagnate reign on the mobile industry, but a lack of 4G, no apps, and underpowered hardware just can not be excused. 

All Switch has done, is left me wondering how great Mario Odyssey and Zelda would have looked if they were built for PS4/XBO, or a handheld built on current tech. I really want Nintendo games, and I want them to be at the same level of quality as the rest of the industry, not on par with stuff from consoles that released in 2005 and 2006.

I still plan to get witch this holiday for Mario Odyssy, but I really hope, that at the least a Switch revision is not far in the future.

I agree that the lack of apps is hugely disappointing, and its something I hope to see them fix eventually, but are there really any mobile chips out right now that perform significantly better than the Tegra X1?



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sundin13 on 17 March 2017
The_Yoda said:
sundin13 said:

Innovation isn't just about doing something first. It is largely about bringing it to a mass market and tapping into the potential of the idea. Nintendo seems to be the only console maker who is willing to put 100% into an idea. Including a Wii Remote or a Wii U Gamepad or even the 3D screen with the 3DS with every console establishes a userbase more than a peripheral device which allows developers to use the technology without destroying the player base.

This sets up a platform which encourages innovation and encourages different gameplay experiences and different ways of creating games. While 3rd parties don't always tap into this potential (although there are certainly examples of them doing so such as Red Steel 2), the uniqueness of the consoles allows Nintendo to flex its creative muscles in a way which wouldn't be possible on other consoles. 

I think it is very fair to say that in terms of input devices, Nintendo is the only console maker willing to take risks and innovate. 

BOLDED: if we go with that premise wouldn't the other companies be innovating but failing while Nintendo would be "successfully" innovating? Sorry but in my mind innovating is bringing something new to market, not being successful / more successful using someone elses ideas

The way I see it, innovation is largely utilizing the potential of an idea moreso than popularity (although popularity as I said before often allows the potential to be utilized better). If you want to say "the first person who used motion controls innovated and everyone after is just copying", then from what I can tell, give all the credit to Datasoft back in 1981 for the "Le Stick" controller for the Atari 2600 or maybe some Arcade games even before that. I personally don't think that makes any sense because clearly, what was brought to the table through the Wii utilized the potential of motion controls much more fully. The same can be said of the Eyetoy. While the tech itself may be "innovative" (although I'd have to look into that), the utilization didn't tap into that potential to the same level as the Wii. Because of that, I'd say that Nintendo innovated with the Wii at least in how they used motion controls. Its kind of like if someone built a plane, but only used it as a fan for a few years and then someone else came in and started flying. Sure, the tech was already there, but the utilization was still innovative. 



flashfire926 on 17 March 2017
RolStoppable said:
BraLoD said:
Funny my thread got back at making some people mad, lol.

People asking for it to be locked because can't stand an opinion, people going for personal attacks, fanboysm, and severe lack of actually trying to understand anything coming here to try to crack a joke on themselves...

The Switch launch has actually boosted my opinion on it, weak hardware already having problems with a first party launch title that was developed for their last system, overpriced hardware and companion pieces, Nintendo not even making a custom chip for it and releasing a Shield system with their brand written on it...

Yeah, going 3rd party would be great.

Like I said regarding the response to the Jim Sterling review of Breath of the Wild, irrational arguments are going to draw a stronger reaction than rational ones.

All you do here is reiterate your original "Nintendo should go third party because that's what I'd like them do" without bringing anything of substance to the table. Actually, now you are doing more. You are arguing the same thing in the face of success which means that not only will there be no financial reason for Nintendo to entertain the idea of going third party, but the market showing a positive reception of Nintendo's latest console also means that people definitely like what Nintendo is doing, so there's no such thing as even remote agreement that Nintendo should go third party.

I agree that this thread shouldn't get locked. It should get bumped every few months to laugh at you.

This, exactly. 

To OP: You're telling them to go third party just because Nintendo games aren't available on your platform. Either that, or your just begging to start a war.



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TheBlackNaruto on 17 March 2017
Ck1x said:
Fei-Hung said:
If their pricing on hardware wasn't So Apple like, I wouldn't want them to go third party. Everything from the console, down to the grip charger, Nintendo pushes the envelope when it comes to drawing blood from a stone.

I'd rather Nintendo go 3rd party because of this. I grew up with Nintendo making great games without gimmicks and extorting customers on accessories and since they can no longer do this and I'm not willing to pay the price for their hardware.

However, someone raised a very good question here whether Nintendo is capable of making games on other platforms with higher performance. Yes, I know they can, but will they be able to compete with Other AAA studios and their graphic output.

The Switch is speaking to lots of gamers by providing continuous play wherever you go! I would much rather have this as a gaming option than just another console trying to emulate what PC's can already do. Neither Sony or Microsoft would have created something like the Switch, it's okay having a variety of choices...

Just to be fair.....Sony did kind of create something like the Switch with the PSP. You could connect it to your TV and play it on the go. So saying MS or Sony would not created something like the Switch is not actually correct. Albeit I know the differences between the Switch and PSP the concept is still similar.



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0D0 on 17 March 2017
LudicrousSpeed said:

The problem with the case made in the OP and pretty much all these threads where people say Nintendo should go 3rd party is they make bad assumptions. If Nintendo went third party, they lose:

Hardware revenue
Accessory revenue
Licensing fees from other companies making software/accessories for their platform
Their own digital store, along with all the revenue from it
And coming soon, revenue from online subscription fees

They lose all of this for what? The potential to maybe potentially sell more software on other platforms? It's easy to assume that if Zelda sells such and such solely on one platform, it would sell X amount more on Xbone/PS4. That clashes directly with the point made in the OP about Nintendo having no direct competition. If you put Zelda onto other platforms where you also have gems like Witcher among others, who is to say Zelda sells as well? Same with all the Mario sports titles, and party games. Or Mario Kart. If gamers could choose Horizon 3 over Mario Kart, who is to say they wouldn't?

And with direct competition, they lose another thing I didn't list above: price gouging. Nintendo titles take FOR EV ER to drop in price, if they ever do. They lose that if they go multiplat. They simply will not be able to compete when other great games are there on sale for $20-30 and their titles are still $50-60.

It's always been a silly idea, and still is after the Switch reveal.

I agree with you, but I don't think it's a silly idea. With all those revenues, Nintendo was still not making profit. It made little profit last year.

So, unless NSW is a sucess, going 3rd party is the option and it could be a great option. If Switch bombs, the only Plan B is the Sega route.



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Fei-Hung on 17 March 2017
Ck1x said:
Fei-Hung said:
If their pricing on hardware wasn't So Apple like, I wouldn't want them to go third party. Everything from the console, down to the grip charger, Nintendo pushes the envelope when it comes to drawing blood from a stone.

I'd rather Nintendo go 3rd party because of this. I grew up with Nintendo making great games without gimmicks and extorting customers on accessories and since they can no longer do this and I'm not willing to pay the price for their hardware.

However, someone raised a very good question here whether Nintendo is capable of making games on other platforms with higher performance. Yes, I know they can, but will they be able to compete with Other AAA studios and their graphic output.

The Switch is speaking to lots of gamers by providing continuous play wherever you go! I would much rather have this as a gaming option than just another console trying to emulate what PC's can already do. Neither Sony or Microsoft would have created something like the Switch, it's okay having a variety of choices...

And that's fine :) I was speaking about my personal opinion. I'm one of those people that rather play at home on a TV.