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outlawauron on 12 January 2017
bunchanumbers said:
outlawauron said:

But don't you want the federal government to have more control over healthcare?

personally yes I do. But this flies right in the face of Republican dogma yet here they are supporting it. Its why I say that GOP really have no spine and are cowardly. They abandon everything they supposedly stand for because of Trump.

Well, no. You can't say that the GOP is completely behind Trump. He's been and is still largley at war with the leaders in the party (Ryan, Rubio, Cruz, etc). They don't like or agree with each on much. That said, every Republican lawmaker wants to get rid of Obamacare. It's a unpopular program and easy to rally against. As far as the consequences of removing borders, while yes it does remove states control, it also removes government overreach and regulation which are GOP goals.



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Birimbau on 12 January 2017

Thanks to obamacare and other regulations created under Obama, the full-time high paying jops disappeared because employers can't deal with so many of these regulations. These jobs are now gone and replaced by part-time low paying jobs. Thanks Obama. Now people need to find 2-3 part-time jobs instead of one full time.



bdbdbd on 12 January 2017
Birimbau said:

Thanks Obama. Now people need to find 2-3 part-time jobs instead of one full time.

So, obamacare is like Playstation 3.



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Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2017
LadyJasmine said:
The issue is with Obamacare is that it wont work in the long term as it has mostly older and sick people signing up while young people fail to enrol in the plan as they rather pay the penalty and think rather naively they won't get sick.

As a result, insurance companies move out of Obamacare and in the end it will likely require greater government subsidies and cost to keep premiums low.

Its not that they're being naive, statistically most won't get seriously ill, need medical attention, etc. Well atleast not anytime soon.

Obamacare needs healthy people that won't get sick, they have to pay for the sick.

I'm not entirely against socializing healthcare, I just don't like paying more so deadbeats get it free. I also don't like people struggling to get by having to pay a lot while someone making slightly less is getting it for free. These seem to be the primary reasons its broken.



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irstupid on 12 January 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
LadyJasmine said:
The issue is with Obamacare is that it wont work in the long term as it has mostly older and sick people signing up while young people fail to enrol in the plan as they rather pay the penalty and think rather naively they won't get sick.

As a result, insurance companies move out of Obamacare and in the end it will likely require greater government subsidies and cost to keep premiums low.

Its not that they're being naive, statistically most won't get seriously ill, need medical attention, etc. Well atleast not anytime soon.

Obamacare needs healthy people that won't get sick, they have to pay for the sick.

I'm not entirely against socializing healthcare, I just don't like paying more so deadbeats get it free. I also don't like people struggling to get by having to pay a lot while someone making slightly less is getting it for free. These seem to be the primary reasons its broken.

But who cares if they do get sick. Obamacare made it so that insurance companies can't deny one with a pre-existing condition.

So if I randmly find out I have cancer, then I go and get insurance. I start paying a couple hundred a month for insurance and teh insurance company pays a couple thousand a month for my medicine.

That is why costs are skyrocketing.

Insurance only works when people that aren't "using" it are paying for it. If you only purchased car insurance after you got into an accident, tell me how that would work? It wouldn't.

I really don' think people understand what insurance means. The whoel idea of insurance covering pre-existing conditions is rediculous.



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Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2017
irstupid said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Its not that they're being naive, statistically most won't get seriously ill, need medical attention, etc. Well atleast not anytime soon.

Obamacare needs healthy people that won't get sick, they have to pay for the sick.

I'm not entirely against socializing healthcare, I just don't like paying more so deadbeats get it free. I also don't like people struggling to get by having to pay a lot while someone making slightly less is getting it for free. These seem to be the primary reasons its broken.

But who cares if they do get sick. Obamacare made it so that insurance companies can't deny one with a pre-existing condition.

So if I randmly find out I have cancer, then I go and get insurance. I start paying a couple hundred a month for insurance and teh insurance company pays a couple thousand a month for my medicine.

That is why costs are skyrocketing.

Insurance only works when people that aren't "using" it are paying for it. If you only purchased car insurance after you got into an accident, tell me how that would work? It wouldn't.

I really don' think people understand what insurance means. The whoel idea of insurance covering pre-existing conditions is rediculous.

True, but that's where the penalties come in. Its about $700 for 2016 while growing significantly every year after. That's another reason I'm glad Obamacare is dying.

Eitherway it sounds like the pre existing thing is staying. I kinda like that but its also not insurance anymore.



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irstupid on 12 January 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
irstupid said:

But who cares if they do get sick. Obamacare made it so that insurance companies can't deny one with a pre-existing condition.

So if I randmly find out I have cancer, then I go and get insurance. I start paying a couple hundred a month for insurance and teh insurance company pays a couple thousand a month for my medicine.

That is why costs are skyrocketing.

Insurance only works when people that aren't "using" it are paying for it. If you only purchased car insurance after you got into an accident, tell me how that would work? It wouldn't.

I really don' think people understand what insurance means. The whoel idea of insurance covering pre-existing conditions is rediculous.

True, but that's where the penalties come in. Its about $700 for 2016 while growing significantly every year after. That's another reason I'm glad Obamacare is dying.

Eitherway it sounds like the pre existing thing is staying. I kinda like that but its also not insurance anymore.

Do you pay for health insurance?

If you do at all, you would know how big of a joke $700 is. I pay like $125 a month in insurance (not bad, was worse at last job), but that is through work, meaning my work covers like 3/4 of the cost or so. If I were not through work, it woudl be more expensive.

Regardless, $700 is the cheapest option. Paying a fine each year woudl be the cheapest route.

And, from what I've heard they can't even check if you have had insurance or not. All youd o when filling out taxes is check a box if you have insurance all year or not. At least that is all I did last year. I didn't need a sheet for proof, didn't send anything to prove i had it, ect. So tell me, how do they fine those that don't have it. They coudl just lie on their taxes and say they do have insurance. 



Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2017
irstupid said:
Mr Puggsly said:

True, but that's where the penalties come in. Its about $700 for 2016 while growing significantly every year after. That's another reason I'm glad Obamacare is dying.

Eitherway it sounds like the pre existing thing is staying. I kinda like that but its also not insurance anymore.

Do you pay for health insurance?

If you do at all, you would know how big of a joke $700 is. I pay like $125 a month in insurance (not bad, was worse at last job), but that is through work, meaning my work covers like 3/4 of the cost or so. If I were not through work, it woudl be more expensive.

Regardless, $700 is the cheapest option. Paying a fine each year woudl be the cheapest route.

And, from what I've heard they can't even check if you have had insurance or not. All youd o when filling out taxes is check a box if you have insurance all year or not. At least that is all I did last year. I didn't need a sheet for proof, didn't send anything to prove i had it, ect. So tell me, how do they fine those that don't have it. They coudl just lie on their taxes and say they do have insurance. 

We are lucky because our insurance is cheap. I pay about the same. But at a previous job it was significantly worse.

Its only $700 this year, which is a lot for people struggling. The penalties would get significantly higher each year to the point people cant afford the penalty. But if you cant afford the insurance either, youre fucked. Its a broken system.



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irstupid on 12 January 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
irstupid said:

Do you pay for health insurance?

If you do at all, you would know how big of a joke $700 is. I pay like $125 a month in insurance (not bad, was worse at last job), but that is through work, meaning my work covers like 3/4 of the cost or so. If I were not through work, it woudl be more expensive.

Regardless, $700 is the cheapest option. Paying a fine each year woudl be the cheapest route.

And, from what I've heard they can't even check if you have had insurance or not. All youd o when filling out taxes is check a box if you have insurance all year or not. At least that is all I did last year. I didn't need a sheet for proof, didn't send anything to prove i had it, ect. So tell me, how do they fine those that don't have it. They coudl just lie on their taxes and say they do have insurance. 

We are lucky because our insurance is cheap. I pay about the same. But at a previous job it was significantly worse.

Its only $700 this year, which is a lot for people struggling. The penalties would get significantly higher each year to the point people cant afford the penalty. But if you cant afford the insurance either, youre fucked. Its a broken system.

Wasn't saying $700 was cheap for struggling families. Was just talking about it's price. I think last year it was only like $300.

The point is, it is "Illegal" to not have health insurance. Thus struggling families shoudl have health insurance anyway. BUT the cheapest solution is to be illegal and pay the fine. It's fiscally more responsable for them to pay the yearly fine than it is to actually have health insurance legally. 

Until the fine is more than the actual insurance, people will do it that way.



Mr Puggsly on 13 January 2017
irstupid said:
Mr Puggsly said:

We are lucky because our insurance is cheap. I pay about the same. But at a previous job it was significantly worse.

Its only $700 this year, which is a lot for people struggling. The penalties would get significantly higher each year to the point people cant afford the penalty. But if you cant afford the insurance either, youre fucked. Its a broken system.

Wasn't saying $700 was cheap for struggling families. Was just talking about it's price. I think last year it was only like $300.

The point is, it is "Illegal" to not have health insurance. Thus struggling families shoudl have health insurance anyway. BUT the cheapest solution is to be illegal and pay the fine. It's fiscally more responsable for them to pay the yearly fine than it is to actually have health insurance legally. 

Until the fine is more than the actual insurance, people will do it that way.

For a lot of people the 2017 fine was probably going to be less than insurance. It was gonna be well over a thousand. But thats likely gone, republicans are going to end that.

I believe people making less than $1300 can get Obamacare free. So it makes sense for people to work less hours and get free health insurance.



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