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sethnintendo on 11 January 2017
NinjaguyDan said:

If we ever get into a real civil war it will be over before lunch.

 

Judging by that picture it might take a few hours after lunch once he wakes up from a coma induced nap after binge eating at the Golden Corral.



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sethnintendo on 11 January 2017
DevilRising said:

 


It's hilarious to me that so many idiots refer to the ACA as "Socialism", when it's hte most Capitalist thing going. The biggest winner of Obamacare, outside of not being able to exclude people anymore, was the insurance industry.

Hey now!  Don't forget about big pharma.



Azuren on 11 January 2017
deskpro2k3 said:
Azuren said:

It was on topic because you made it about juvenile "crowd questioning". I only pointed out that you can get nearly any desired effect by cutting together eight hours of public questioning. 

It could be 5mins or just 7 people., but the point being those questioned were ignorant when it comes to ACA/Obamacare just like that unfortunate fellow on facebook.

Yeah, except it could also be over the course of several days to entire crowds, which is why these kinds of things don't prove jack. 



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deskpro2k3 on 11 January 2017
Azuren said:
deskpro2k3 said:

It could be 5mins or just 7 people., but the point being those questioned were ignorant when it comes to ACA/Obamacare just like that unfortunate fellow on facebook.

Yeah, except it could also be over the course of several days to entire crowds, which is why these kinds of things don't prove jack. 

that's why I don't comment on speculations, because none of this of what you're rambling about proves anything.

but hey, there is this to consider. CNBC Poll: 'Obamacare' vs. 'Affordable Care Act'

Results: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2013/09/26/FI10863c-release%209-25-13.pdf

gosh, the evidence just keeps on stacking up. Or let me guess, they don't prove jack?

"First thing: 30 percent of the public don't know what ACA is, vs. only 12 percent when we asked about Obamacare. More on that later.

Now for the difference: 29 percent of the public supports Obamacare compared with 22 percent who support ACA. Forty-six percent oppose Obamacare and 37 percent oppose ACA. So putting Obama in the name raises the positives and the negatives"



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Azuren on 11 January 2017
deskpro2k3 said:
Azuren said:

Yeah, except it could also be over the course of several days to entire crowds, which is why these kinds of things don't prove jack. 

that's why I don't comment on speculations, because none of this of what you're rambling about proves anything.

but hey, there is this to consider. CNBC Poll: 'Obamacare' vs. 'Affordable Care Act'

Results: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2013/09/26/FI10863c-release%209-25-13.pdf

gosh, the evidence just keeps on stacking up. Or let me guess, they don't prove jack?

"First thing: 30 percent of the public don't know what ACA is, vs. only 12 percent when we asked about Obamacare. More on that later.

Now for the difference: 29 percent of the public supports Obamacare compared with 22 percent who support ACA. Forty-six percent oppose Obamacare and 37 percent oppose ACA. So putting Obama in the name raises the positives and the negatives"

So your response on my counter to your speculation is to say you don't comment on speculation, followed by posting articles from the left equivalent of Fox News? 

 

I think we're done here. 



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deskpro2k3 on 11 January 2017
Azuren said:
deskpro2k3 said:

that's why I don't comment on speculations, because none of this of what you're rambling about proves anything.

but hey, there is this to consider. CNBC Poll: 'Obamacare' vs. 'Affordable Care Act'

Results: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2013/09/26/FI10863c-release%209-25-13.pdf

gosh, the evidence just keeps on stacking up. Or let me guess, they don't prove jack?

"First thing: 30 percent of the public don't know what ACA is, vs. only 12 percent when we asked about Obamacare. More on that later.

Now for the difference: 29 percent of the public supports Obamacare compared with 22 percent who support ACA. Forty-six percent oppose Obamacare and 37 percent oppose ACA. So putting Obama in the name raises the positives and the negatives"

So your response on my counter to your speculation is to say you don't comment on speculation, followed by posting articles from the left equivalent of Fox News? 

 

I think we're done here. 

 

you call statistics and results from a number of sources speculations.. ok, yeah you've been done here a long time ago. bye bye



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Azuren on 11 January 2017
deskpro2k3 said:
Azuren said:

So your response on my counter to your speculation is to say you don't comment on speculation, followed by posting articles from the left equivalent of Fox News? 

 

I think we're done here. 

 

you call statistics and results from a number of sources speculations.. ok, yeah you've been done here a long time ago. bye bye

CNBC statistics are no better than Fox statistics. 

 

Which is to say they're a load of bull.



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outlawauron on 11 January 2017
bunchanumbers said:
Even Trumps idea of removing borders for insurance companies won't work. If he does that it means that insurance becomes a interstate commerce issue and won't be regulated by the states and instead becomes a federal issue. On fundamental levels this won't work and could lead to bad things.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/12/06/Here-s-Problem-Trump-s-Plan-Sell-Health-Insurance-Across-State-Lines

But don't you want the federal government to have more control over healthcare?



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bunchanumbers on 11 January 2017
outlawauron said:
bunchanumbers said:
Even Trumps idea of removing borders for insurance companies won't work. If he does that it means that insurance becomes a interstate commerce issue and won't be regulated by the states and instead becomes a federal issue. On fundamental levels this won't work and could lead to bad things.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/12/06/Here-s-Problem-Trump-s-Plan-Sell-Health-Insurance-Across-State-Lines

But don't you want the federal government to have more control over healthcare?

personally yes I do. But this flies right in the face of Republican dogma yet here they are supporting it. Its why I say that GOP really have no spine and are cowardly. They abandon everything they supposedly stand for because of Trump.



Majin-Tenshinhan on 11 January 2017
Safiir said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

Well, honestly, it actually doesn't, because we can't see an alternate reality where Hillary won. Regardless of how good or bad Trump turns out to be, people will argue 'til they're blue in the face about how Hillary would've been better or worse. So... No, it doesn't actually remain to be seen. A choice was made, and we'll see the results of that choice. We will not see whether Hillary was the greater evil or not, though my personal conviction that she was is strong.

You're counting on the fact that he can't possibly make something of cataclysmic proportions. Like start a nuclear war or bancrupt the country or something else I can't even imagine. That would make him the worst choice since it can't possibly be any worse. I'm not saying it will happen or that it's even likely to happen. But with the brexit and a Trump presidency...hell I'm ready to believe anything is possible.

Of course it can. Hillary could've done the exact same thing, if that were to happen. We'll never know, because she didn't win.