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Slimebeast said:
LadyJasmine said:
I think Trump can get reelected as he has become normalized now unless he runs against another Obama..

Imo if he moderates himself as he has since becoming President I think he will get a lot the never trump Republicans and moderates who went third party.

It all depends if the democrats dump the corrupt Hillary aspect of the party, because if they do that they should win.

Yes. People need to start realizing that Trump winning was not just some strange accident. It reflects the will of many people.

Trump can definitely win a second term. I'm already leaning towards that bet.

You do realize that only 20 some percent of people voted for Trump, right? Over 50% of this country didn't vote because they didn't think they needed to or cared. That won't happen next time. He doesn't have a shot.



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Soundwave said:
Egelo said:

None what you said even supports your opninion.  You actully say and prove why Trump would beat him.

bernies a good guy but that does not win you elections. 

 

Ok as far as 3 - let gays marry.

since when is trump agianst that ? you dont even know wtf you are talking about.  

To your point about Sanders, I think he would've carried Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. He's a far more likable candidate, more popular with millenials, even and did not have the baggage that Clinton had being tied to NAFTA.

To beat Trump in those States you'd only have to swing about 100k votes. I think both Sanders and Biden (who is from Pennslyvania) would've done that without much fuss. Clinton has always had problems in these States, she showed weakness in the Rust Belt and states like Iowa against Obama in '08 and again against Bernie in 2016 (who shouldn't have even had a chance). 

Truth is though both parties lie to this group, those jobs are never coming back because there's no reason for any corporation to hire Americans to do those jobs when 10 people in China are willing to do the same job for 1/8 the salary and no vacation/dental/medical pay on top of that. 

My broader point about that list is the majority of Americans generally speaking embrace ideals today that the conservative movement has basically been on the wrong side of for 20+ years now. And that's not changing, every 4 years, more and more old people die off.

Trump's VP pick is also notoriously anti-LGBTQ, he's supported "conversion" therapy which is basically sending gay kids to a camp to try and "convert" them to being straight (not even joking, this is a thing). 

Another two I forgot to add to my list

7.) Vast majority of Americans support tighter gun control and background checks on people purchasing fire arms. 

8.) Most Americans support raising the minimum wage. 

Again, if we made elections actually about issues, conservatives are on the wrong side of the fence on a lot of the core issues. 

Its like you didnt even research Trump at all. He won his campaign on the idea that he will fix the trade deficit with china and bring manufacturing back to the US through the use of trade deals, tariffs, and taxes.

Trump won the election on the issues that matter, economy, and national security.

All your "facts" are assumptions on what you think the people want.

If people wanted a higher min wage they could do so, each and every state has the option to do so. Look at CA on the way to $15

If people wanted gay marriage they can do so. Each and every state can make its own choice.  Each and every state has had the opton to do so but the people havent had will or care to make it happen. 37 States have made their will clear

If people wanted tighter gun control each and every state has that option.

Just because some states with big cities want things does not mean the American people want those things.

Another thing Trump campaigned on, the states having more say.



It all depends, Bush looked certain to be defeated in 2004 but he got 12 million more votes from the last election.

I doubt that is the case but I think the next election will see both candidates at 65 million plus votes.

Trump did lose the popular votes but he also got the most votes ever for a GOPer.

 

It all depends, If the democrats run the score in California it does not matter in the big picture. 



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Well if he abolishes the republic and officially turns America into an empire then he will be "president" for life.

All hail King Trump!



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Egelo said:
Soundwave said:

I take it English is not your first language. 

Bernie Sanders is actually the only credible candidate who will do anything for the working class. Trump is a phony who picked up on the populist rhetoric because he's a salesman. That's what he does. He tells people what they want to hear to close the deal. His cabinet appointments already betray that. 

Trump is the most unpopular president to be elected in modern history, he lost the popular vote by 2 million and he turned the Rust Belt sure, but the margin was a razor thin one, those areas are pro-union, lets see how they react once they realize a lot of what Trump shovelled was bullshit. 

"Fact is" actually I think most Americans agree on many key issues. Notably:

1.) The ultra rich should pay more taxes. 

2.) There should be tighter immigration, but there should be amnesty for immigrants already here. Get them legal and paying tax. 

3.) Let gays marry.

4.) Let those who want to smoke pot, smoke pot. Tax it. 

5.) Americans want universal, single payer health care. Health care is a right, not a privelege. 

These are issues that have majority backing in the US. 

None what you said even supports your opninion.  You actully say and prove why Trump would beat him.

bernies a good guy but that does not win you elections. 

 

Ok as far as 3 - let gays marry.

since when is trump agianst that ? you dont even know wtf you are talking about.  

Pretty sure anyone who knows Trump knows he's against gay marriage.



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LadyJasmine said:

It all depends, Bush looked certain to be defeated in 2004 but he got 12 million more votes from the last election.

I doubt that is the case but I think the next election will see both candidates at 65 million plus votes.

Trump did lose the popular votes but he also got the most votes ever for a GOPer.

 

It all depends, If the democrats run the score in California it does not matter in the big picture. 

John Kerry might be the most uncharismatic candidate I've ever seen. 

Even today he still sounds like a walking, talking robot who can't emote for shit. 

In politics this stuff matters. Besides, immediately in the wake of 9/11 I think Americans put a premium on "unity" so rallying around that was a benefit to Bush who was never really a hugely popular president to begin with. But he benefitted from that, it wasn't until 2005/2006 that widespread back lash to the Iraq War and the general "War on Terror" started to filter in even amongst people on the right. 



pray4mojo said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes. People need to start realizing that Trump winning was not just some strange accident. It reflects the will of many people.

Trump can definitely win a second term. I'm already leaning towards that bet.

You do realize that only 20 some percent of people voted for Trump, right? Over 50% of this country didn't vote because they didn't think they needed to or cared. That won't happen next time. He doesn't have a shot.

Trump won the election. He won. You didn't think he could win, but he won. The same will happen next time, especially if the opposition won't climb off their high horses and analyze the situation and face reality.



Soundwave said:
LadyJasmine said:

It all depends, Bush looked certain to be defeated in 2004 but he got 12 million more votes from the last election.

I doubt that is the case but I think the next election will see both candidates at 65 million plus votes.

Trump did lose the popular votes but he also got the most votes ever for a GOPer.

 

It all depends, If the democrats run the score in California it does not matter in the big picture. 

John Kerry might be the most uncharismatic candidate I've ever seen. 

Even today he still sounds like a walking, talking robot who can't emote for shit. 

In politics this stuff matters. Besides, immediately in the wake of 9/11 I think Americans put a premium on "unity" so rallying around that was a benefit to Bush who was never really a hugely popular president to begin with. But he benefitted from that, it wasn't until 2005/2006 that widespread back lash to the Iraq War and the general "War on Terror" started to filter in even amongst people on the right. 

Yes, John Kerry LOL

How on earth could the Democrats nominate such an unpleasant and uncharismatic figure? I don't get it.

And it happens time and time again. Who was the Republican guy I thought was so boring last time... fairly young, forgot his name. Such a boring person.



LadyJasmine said:

It all depends, Bush looked certain to be defeated in 2004 but he got 12 million more votes from the last election.

I doubt that is the case but I think the next election will see both candidates at 65 million plus votes.

Trump did lose the popular votes but he also got the most votes ever for a GOPer.

 

It all depends, If the democrats run the score in California it does not matter in the big picture. 

Funny thing about those Bush wins is that leftists still believe that Al Gore and Jonh Kelly were cheated out of the election.  Is almost like the right can only win by cheating.



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