Some of these opinions are so far out of proportion. I just got a pro, most games look AND run much better on the pro, there are just a few that may need some tweaking. The experience is still far better on the Pro, I assure you.
Some of these opinions are so far out of proportion. I just got a pro, most games look AND run much better on the pro, there are just a few that may need some tweaking. The experience is still far better on the Pro, I assure you.
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WoodenPints said:
The problem is 4K is such a buzz word these days and so much better in PR and marketing terms, Imagine all the adverts saying 1080p/60 FPS instead of just 4K most poeple would be like "wtf is that" where as soon as they hear 4K mentioned everyone goes crazy about it. |
This is true.
To get a notable upgrade in graphics and meet solid 4K/60, we need something north of 12TF, and ideally ~15+. 4TF is far too weak, and even 6TF is extremely underwhelming, because it means that the extra resources will go towards resolution rather than better lighting/ultra textures/etc in most cases.
At least 4K should cap out for a while. I don't see people dumping their 4K TVs in a few years, hell most people are still on 1080P.
We will have to wait until PS5 and whatever the next Xbox is past Scorpio for more than simply up-rezzed gen8 games. And they will need to cut the old hardware off in order to make that happen.
Arkaign said:
This is true. To get a notable upgrade in graphics and meet solid 4K/60, we need something north of 12TF, and ideally ~15+. 4TF is far too weak, and even 6TF is extremely underwhelming, because it means that the extra resources will go towards resolution rather than better lighting/ultra textures/etc in most cases. At least 4K should cap out for a while. I don't see people dumping their 4K TVs in a few years, hell most people are still on 1080P. We will have to wait until PS5 and whatever the next Xbox is past Scorpio for more than simply up-rezzed gen8 games. And they will need to cut the old hardware off in order to make that happen. |
I agree and disagree. 4K is much more than just a buzz word. Have you played games or watched videos on a display 50" and above? 1080p is fine down in the 40" range, but it starts to really degrade above 50". Once you get up to the 65" and above range, 1080p looks like a low res GIF. Hit 85", and 1080p is just a blurry, noisey mess. 4K allows us to move up to 75" displays and get even better picture quality, with more detail than yopu could ever do on a 40" display. Drop HDR on top of it, and you are talking about a leap in display tech that rivals Black and White to color, and 480p 4:3 to 1080p 16:9.
Where I do agree with you is on power. That is why I have been saying that there is no way a PS5 is coming out in 2018, 2019, or 2020. The fab process is slowing way down, and fab shrinks are what brings about more powerful hardware. PS4 was a 28nm console, the PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro are built on 14nm tech. This has dropped the power requirements and cost of the PS4, and allowed the Pro to more than double the OG PS4 in power. That increase has come at a cost though. It takes more power todouble the PS4 performance even with the fab process cutting in half.
Looking into the future, we won't have 7nm tech available until 2019, maybe even 2020. At that point we will be looking at 10 -12TF from a $400 console. That will give us beautiful 4k/60fps titles, with some minor enhancements to texture lighting, and shading, but it is not going to fudementaly change the game. That is why I fully believe PS5 will not be the next console Sony releases. I think we will have a PS4 Pro 2 in 2020, and that will round out the PS4 platform, with a PS5 in or around 2024 - 2025. The console market has changed.
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So far I have not been disapointed in PS4 Pro from a performance stand point. I don't like that not all games are using HDR, and I absolutly hate that PSVR does not pass through Full Color and HDR. As far as performance goes though, I will take the improvement in the majority of games over the few minor drops in the titles mentioned in the artical. Even more so considering that I have been playing TLOU in 4K HDR at 30fps, and it is an absolutly wonderful experience. That alone is worth the money I spent on my 4K HDR TV, Reciever, and PS4 Pro.
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Regarding TLOU. This is a massive mistake and oversight by ND. They should have had 3 modes not 2.
Native 4k@30fps
1800p Checkerboard 4k@50-60fps
1440p@Locked 60fps
This can be easily corrected though with a patch. Hopefully DFs video is enough to get the word out like they hope. This is fault of devolepers and not the PS4 Pro.
| Ruler said: so people are complaining about 2-3 framerates? I still rather take the improved 1080p image quality over these frames.
Its a launch period and a new concept what does DF except? They should rather give us analyses about Knacks PS4 Pro mode and recentley launched FFXV demo, all they do is test the same games over again. |
Thats a picture of uncharted, when you play a game like skyrim and you get drops of frames from 30fps on full 4k, its deff better to reduce the resolution a little bit, same for the last of us, they can still give an improved image, just a small (lets say 5-10% less additional bonus) for better framerate.
Anyway, if its true what they say in the video sony disallowed developers to give lower framerates so its simply unacceptable and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks is better, Personally the way tomb raider and NioH do it is the best, just give options so people can select whatever they like best and I am sure they can give an option for just the best quality and since there are other options it wont matter that in those options the framerate is worse

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I have a feeling last guardian will see some graphical improvemens along with the common higher res. I will have to test and compare in a few weeks
| malistix1985 said: Thats a picture of uncharted, when you play a game like skyrim and you get drops of frames from 30fps on full 4k, its deff better to reduce the resolution a little bit, same for the last of us, they can still give an improved image, just a small (lets say 5-10% less additional bonus) for better framerate. Anyway, if its true what they say in the video sony disallowed developers to give lower framerates so its simply unacceptable and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks is better, Personally the way tomb raider and NioH do it is the best, just give options so people can select whatever they like best and I am sure they can give an option for just the best quality and since there are other options it wont matter that in those options the framerate is worse |
It's a shame, too, as this is likely going to overshadow the huge improvements found in other games. Titanfall 2, Infinite Warfare, Paragon, Tomb Raider and the Infamouses, for example, run much smoother and provide a great boost in image quality from the OG ps4. I do agree that they should target highest resolution without sacrificing framerate, however.
Ariakon said:
It's a shame, too, as this is likely going to overshadow the huge improvements found in other games. Titanfall 2, Infinite Warfare, Paragon, Tomb Raider and the Infamouses, for example, run much smoother and provide a great boost in image quality from the OG ps4. I do agree that they should target highest resolution without sacrificing framerate, however. |
All they need to realize is just to include 2 modes: Best Image and Best Performance, just lower the resolution significantly on performance and get a close to OG PS4 experience on the other, that way people that don't mind the drops get what they want and people that want to have the same or better framerate then OG PS4 get what they want.
Shouldn't be to difficult actually :D, but if the developers only give one option then the chances of (most) developers using the power of ps4 pro will be highly diminished.
It seems like it might be a very good thing for microsoft to go second, its a new thing this mid cycle upgrade and obviously sony is going to have a few bumps.

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