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Does NX need to be on par with PS4 and XBone to succeed?

Yes 96 30.77%
 
No 118 37.82%
 
Yes, but... 33 10.58%
 
No, but... 65 20.83%
 
Total:312

These threads are ridiculous because they almost always turn into if Nintendo isn't going to out do both Sony and Microsoft in power then they should just put their games on Playstation and Xbox!

We still don't even fully know what NX is and people are dooming it to failure!
So if the system launches and becomes extremely successful, you guys should start working on what the spin will be this time. Lol (can't use lightening in a bottle, because that was the Wii and DS)



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Shiken said:
I believe what the NX needs to have is core first party franchises back like Metroid and Earthbound. Also a mario adventure game. We already know it is getting Zelda.

Throw that in with new first party IPs and they already have a strong offering. However if third parties supported it enough to support it with a few unique games to the console on top of that, it will be successful.

We don't need a 3rd PS4 type console, we need one that offers us something that the other two don't. In that regard, power is not everything but it should be strong enough to run PS4 games at 720p at least for some of the heavy hitting multiplats. If it is a handheld hybrid, that alone would make the NX version appealing to many.

I don't know why people keep harking back to franchises that were prominent on Nintendo home consoles that didn't do very well (The greatest Zelda game of all time, apparently, was on the console that marked the beginning of the great decline for Nintendo home consoles). In home consoles it's clear that long-standing Nintendo first party IP does not drive sales success. If NX was to be a dedicated home console then it would need power at least equal to launch PS4 so that it can attract 3rd party content where the experience will be at least the same as on a launch PS4, and that will take pretty much zero effort for 3rd parties to put onto NX.

But I don;t think that's what NX will be. I think NX will aim primarily at the handheld market, but also be playable and powerful enough to operate as a home console. And thus also satisfy the Nintendo home console fanbase. And attract some PS/XB fans because it's a handheld and they would like a handheld device to augment their home console. If this is what NX will be, then power is almost irrelevant because NX won't need 3rd party home console multiplatform content to be successful, rather Nintendo will be able to attract purpose built 3rd party content, along with some multiplatform stuff.

Nintendo has to build on what has consistently succeeeded over every generation (handheld devices) rather than try to resurrect what has only succeeded 50% of the time (NES, SNES, Wii vs N64, GC, WiiU). 



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binary solo said:
Shiken said:
I believe what the NX needs to have is core first party franchises back like Metroid and Earthbound. Also a mario adventure game. We already know it is getting Zelda.

Throw that in with new first party IPs and they already have a strong offering. However if third parties supported it enough to support it with a few unique games to the console on top of that, it will be successful.

We don't need a 3rd PS4 type console, we need one that offers us something that the other two don't. In that regard, power is not everything but it should be strong enough to run PS4 games at 720p at least for some of the heavy hitting multiplats. If it is a handheld hybrid, that alone would make the NX version appealing to many.

I don't know why people keep harking back to franchises that were prominent on Nintendo home consoles that didn't do very well (The greatest Zelda game of all time, apparently, was on the console that marked the beginning of the great decline for Nintendo home consoles). In home consoles it's clear that long-standing Nintendo first party IP does not drive sales success. If NX was to be a dedicated home console then it would need power at least equal to launch PS4 so that it can attract 3rd party content where the experience will be at least the same as on a launch PS4, and that will take pretty much zero effort for 3rd parties to put onto NX.

But I don;t think that's what NX will be. I think NX will aim primarily at the handheld market, but also be playable and powerful enough to operate as a home console. And thus also satisfy the Nintendo home console fanbase. And attract some PS/XB fans because it's a handheld and they would like a handheld device to augment their home console. If this is what NX will be, then power is almost irrelevant because NX won't need 3rd party home console multiplatform content to be successful, rather Nintendo will be able to attract purpose built 3rd party content, along with some multiplatform stuff.

Nintendo has to build on what has consistently succeeeded over every generation (handheld devices) rather than try to resurrect what has only succeeded 50% of the time (NES, SNES, Wii vs N64, GC, WiiU). 

Zelda is easily one of the most iconic franchises there is, and there has yet to be a bad one in the main franchise.  People can have their preference, but one cannot deny their quality.  BotW will likely raise the bar for open world gaming as well just based on the E3 demo alone.  As for what console your supposed "best" Zelda game is on, that is the most irrelevant argument I have ever heard.  The platform does not equal the quality of the game.  In fact, it actual supports how important the franchise really is.

 

As for the other franchises, it is because that is what people want.  Some of those older franchises have not seen a proper entry in a long time.  If they utilize their IPs properly, they have the potential to beat Sony and MS both in terms of exclusive library. Throw in some new IPs on top of that, and it is a done deal.

 

But what they need is some form of 3rd party support as well.  Not every multiplat game out there, but the big ones like Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc.  The rest can be 3rd party exclusives that Nintendo go as far as to hire a developer to make.

 

Now if it is a dedicated home console, then yes it will need power.  But if it is a handheld that can play PS4 and X1 caliber games with the ability to be played on the big screen, many will go with the NX version of games just for portability even if they run at say 720p.  In this case, power will not be everything.

 

Again, this is based off of the NX being a hybrid.  Only time will tell how it all plays out.



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Yeah I dont get it as well.....

Nintendo just needs something new again. And bring all their franchise series a sequel on the NX and throw some high budget new IP with awesome marketing (Splatoon).

I also think people are getting too worried about the NX especially how we only know rumors, patents, Ubisoft and a couple of games.

And if it does turn bad at the start, hopefully Nintendo can make a comeback like the 3DS (and more) which the Vita couldn't do.



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Mar1217 said:
Ck1x said:
These threads are ridiculous because they almost always turn into if Nintendo isn't going to out do both Sony and Microsoft in power then they should just put their games on Playstation and Xbox!

We still don't even fully know what NX is and people are dooming it to failure!
So if the system launches and becomes extremely successful, you guys should start working on what the spin will be this time. Lol (can't use lightening in a bottle, because that was the Wii and DS)

That's not the only problem. Lots of people are already assuming what the NX is, a hybrid-handheld, and there's no concrete evidence about that. The NX could still be anything but that. But people just assume, they don't think.

Let's be fair, would someone be excited if they heard that the NX is just a powerful WiiU handheld you could plug on your TV with a dock that add nothing ? I don't see myself being excited. Nothing would be surprising. 

If it has awesome launch games then yeah I would be excited. 



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That's what happens when your hobby goes mainstream. Non gamers who only look at specs and graphics.  Same reason everyone hates on Nintendo games and calls them kiddy because they aren't manly macho competitive shooters or sports games.  



Is just popular wisdom being as wrong and stupid as usual.



6" screen seems too large to be called a handheld and take 3DS' place.



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vivster said:
Well just think about this way. The only way for the NX to be more successful than the Wii U is to gain some users back from the PS4/Xbox share. How would you do that if you can't even be on the same level as them let alone surpass them? Why would people who were not interested in the Wii U buy the NX?

A Nintendo console that is powerful isnt all of a sudden going to cause the shooter/sports/action audience that owns a PS4/PS4 Pro/XBO/Scorpio to jump ship and play games they already have access to on a Nintendo console.

This line of thinking literally makes no sense.

Based on rumors/speculation/statemets, it would seem that consolidating the handheld & console userbases into a single ecosystem is Nintendo's course of action.

A single device or family of devices that sells 80 million units of hardware with ~500 million units of software will likely net Nintendo far more profit than having two seperate ecosystems that sell 65m & 15m units of hardware and 350m+ & 100m+ units of software.



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ICStats said:
6" screen seems too large to be called a handheld and take 3DS' place.

The most popular 3DS model is the XL which has a 4.88" screen, thats not insanely different from the 6.2" screen that is rumored.

Besides, there will very likely be a smaller model released down the line when its possible to do so, Nintendo always releases multiple iterations of their handhelds.



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