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NewGuy said:
kowenicki said:

So you think Ninty are hiding something in their books? They aren't disclosing properly?

I am certain you have heard of creative accounting.

Do not think the culture of Japan or the conservative nature of Nintendo allows for "creative" accounting. Also someone like him is quiet aware of creative accounting. 



 

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Acevil said:
NewGuy said:

I am certain you have heard of creative accounting.

Do not think the culture of Japan or the conservative nature of Nintendo allows for "creative" accounting. Also someone like him is quiet aware of creative accounting. 

Never mind the fact that Nintendo are pleasantly straight forward and no bullshit with their financials. I have to read through pages of bullshit when checking out Sony's financial reports to keep up with my investment. Nintendo is much more open and "uncreative" with their accounting, and I prefer that.



BasilZero said:
So.....they'll go bankrupt. Damn you Pachter!

Drown in their own success ... NX will be a hit and they will go bankrupt ... Nintendo gets Patchered



potato_hamster said:


There is absolutely no way Nintendo could ever release any of these games officially. Ever.

It simply doesn't work like that. Fan projects are never made to the same checks and balances as actual legitmate video games are. That's fine and dandy on PC, but consoles are different. You're talking a huge undertaking just to QA and certify the game, and if any bugs are found, the only people that can realistically fix it are the people that made the games originally, which means they have Nintendo over a barrel. Aside from that, the code base could be a complete mess, and the game could just barely be functioning. What do you do with a game that appears to be far more stable than it actually is? Remember, if Nintendo releases it, Nintendo has to support it.

It's a gigantic mess. You will never ever see it happen. The best you might see is some of the developers being hired by Nintendo to work on Nintendo's own projects, but that's it.

Of course Nintendo could.
Those fan games are better than some of Nintendo's own recent (Or lack there-of) efforts.

Remember, Nintendo shut down those projects not when they first started... Or years after development... But after all the years of hardwork had been put in, bugs squashed, the games had a high degree of polish and were finally released. In otherwords... Nintendo was an ass.

Valve have historically taken modders who have made high quality mods and turned them into full AAA releases, some of which have even ended up on console, that's the right way to go about it, foster and support the community... Don't stifle and destroy it, you don't do anyone any favors.
Nintendo should rightfully be ridiculed on this, not defended.

Nintendo shut down 562 fan projects... Compound that with their war on Youtube content creators... And well, you get the idea. Nintendo aren't nice.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1273071



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Pemalite said:
potato_hamster said:


There is absolutely no way Nintendo could ever release any of these games officially. Ever.

It simply doesn't work like that. Fan projects are never made to the same checks and balances as actual legitmate video games are. That's fine and dandy on PC, but consoles are different. You're talking a huge undertaking just to QA and certify the game, and if any bugs are found, the only people that can realistically fix it are the people that made the games originally, which means they have Nintendo over a barrel. Aside from that, the code base could be a complete mess, and the game could just barely be functioning. What do you do with a game that appears to be far more stable than it actually is? Remember, if Nintendo releases it, Nintendo has to support it.

It's a gigantic mess. You will never ever see it happen. The best you might see is some of the developers being hired by Nintendo to work on Nintendo's own projects, but that's it.

Of course Nintendo could.
Those fan games are better than some of Nintendo's own recent (Or lack there-of) efforts.

Remember, Nintendo shut down those projects not when they first started... Or years after development... But after all the years of hardwork had been put in, bugs squashed, the games had a high degree of polish and were finally released. In otherwords... Nintendo was an ass.

Valve have historically taken modders who have made high quality mods and turned them into full AAA releases, some of which have even ended up on console, that's the right way to go about it, foster and support the community... Don't stifle and destroy it, you don't do anyone any favors.
Nintendo should rightfully be ridiculed on this, not defended.

Nintendo shut down 562 fan projects... Compound that with their war on Youtube content creators... And well, you get the idea. Nintendo aren't nice.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1273071

By the way, majority of them were Pokemon and Mario, and no fan developers haven't been doing better job of making Pokemon or Mario (They literally made a Mario Maker tool) than Nintendo. Sorry but besides arguably two games, none of those games are the quality of what valve has authroized. These are not high quality mods, these are generally nes style or gba style games, that would not be mass marketed and will be seen as lame attempt if Nintendo sold them and most likely devalue the brand sales of things like Sun and Moon or Mario Maker, and besides maybe two (Mother 4, and Metroid Fan Game), would more likely lose money for the company for just releasing them. 

Sorry but Nintendo War with Lets Players is not the same as Nintendo actually protecting Trademarks of its games asset, because if you do not protect that right, you can sadly lose it. You do know that the site specifically does get profit off people using that site right, and they have method of sharing revenue with the fan developers. So some are actually making money off Nintendo's asset and work. 

Sorry but you thinking 562 games literally called Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid and Mario is not the same Black Mesa, is just huge leap to think otherwise.

Yes, I do agree that Nintendo should work with the Metroid guy (It is the only game I can agree with and the argument that Nintendo is not doing a good job with this IP is truthful), not the Pokemon person, sorry but GBA style Pokemon is nothing special in terms of raising the value of your brand now a days. 



 

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Acevil said:

By the way, majority of them were Pokemon and Mario, and no fan developers haven't been doing better job of making Pokemon or Mario (They literally made a Mario Maker tool) than Nintendo. Sorry but besides arguably two games, none of those games are the quality of what valve has authroized. These are not high quality mods, these are generally nes style or gba style games, that would not be mass marketed and will be seen as lame attempt if Nintendo sold them and most likely devalue the brand sales of things like Sun and Moon or Mario Maker, and besides maybe two (Mother 4, and Metroid Fan Game), would more likely lose money for the company for just releasing them. 

Sorry but Nintendo War with Lets Players is not the same as Nintendo actually protecting Trademarks of its games asset, because if you do not protect that right, you can sadly lose it. You do know that the site specifically does get profit off people using that site right, and they have method of sharing revenue with the fan developers. So some are actually making money off Nintendo's asset and work. 

Sorry but you thinking 562 games literally called Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid and Mario is not the same Black Mesa, is just huge leap to think otherwise.

Yes, I do agree that Nintendo should work with the Metroid guy (It is the only game I can agree with and the argument that Nintendo is not doing a good job with this IP is truthful), not the Pokemon person, sorry but GBA style Pokemon is nothing special in terms of raising the value of your brand now a days. 

Well. You couldn't be any more obvious in the way you are trying to justify Nintendo's attacks on the fan community.
The quality of the fan creations isn't the point and if you can't see past that, then this discussion has ended.

You don't throw a child's drawing in the bin because they couldn't draw a human properly do you?

Many other companies not only protect their trademarks, but they allow their fan community to prosper with fan created games, mods, art, youtube video's etc'. And even support their efforts by showcasing it on their Forums/Social media accounts or even include it in successive game releases as a cameo/easter egg. Nintendo? DCMA and shut it down.
What right does Nintendo have in policing someone's fan created art back in June/July this year? It's  art work, seriously.



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Pemalite said:
Acevil said:

By the way, majority of them were Pokemon and Mario, and no fan developers haven't been doing better job of making Pokemon or Mario (They literally made a Mario Maker tool) than Nintendo. Sorry but besides arguably two games, none of those games are the quality of what valve has authroized. These are not high quality mods, these are generally nes style or gba style games, that would not be mass marketed and will be seen as lame attempt if Nintendo sold them and most likely devalue the brand sales of things like Sun and Moon or Mario Maker, and besides maybe two (Mother 4, and Metroid Fan Game), would more likely lose money for the company for just releasing them. 

Sorry but Nintendo War with Lets Players is not the same as Nintendo actually protecting Trademarks of its games asset, because if you do not protect that right, you can sadly lose it. You do know that the site specifically does get profit off people using that site right, and they have method of sharing revenue with the fan developers. So some are actually making money off Nintendo's asset and work. 

Sorry but you thinking 562 games literally called Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid and Mario is not the same Black Mesa, is just huge leap to think otherwise.

Yes, I do agree that Nintendo should work with the Metroid guy (It is the only game I can agree with and the argument that Nintendo is not doing a good job with this IP is truthful), not the Pokemon person, sorry but GBA style Pokemon is nothing special in terms of raising the value of your brand now a days. 

Well. You couldn't be any more obvious in the way you are trying to justify Nintendo's attacks on the fan community.
The quality of the fan creations isn't the point and if you can't see past that, then this discussion has ended.

You don't throw a child's drawing in the bin because they couldn't draw a human properly do you?

Many other companies not only protect their trademarks, but they allow their fan community to prosper with fan created games, mods, art, youtube video's etc'. And even support their efforts by showcasing it on their Forums/Social media accounts or even include it in successive game releases as a cameo/easter egg. Nintendo? DCMA and shut it down.
What right does Nintendo have in policing someone's fan created art back in June/July this year? It's  art work, seriously.

...Nintendo shutting down art? Where's the evidence of that? I've been on numerous art websites and have seen thousands of Nintendo-related art and none appeared to be in danger of being removed due to Nintendo's doing. Heck, the devs from Pokemon, in which TPCi are known to be protective of the IP and brand, have even commented on fan art on Twitter so they must be okay with them (except for one featuring Serena and Ash in Alola clothes though some fans point out that could be a hint that Serena could remain as a member of Ash's group in the future if they blocked anyone showing them that photo)! If Nintendo were to do such thing, they could've done it YEARS ago! Ive even posted a photo of that featured Mario and Link in my drawing on my social media and I've not heard anything from Nintendo.



Kai_Mao said:

...Nintendo shutting down art? Where's the evidence of that? I've been on numerous art websites and have seen thousands of Nintendo-related art and none appeared to be in danger of being removed due to Nintendo's doing. Heck, the devs from Pokemon, in which TPCi are known to be protective of the IP and brand, have even commented on fan art on Twitter so they must be okay with them (except for one featuring Serena and Ash in Alola clothes though some fans point out that could be a hint that Serena could remain as a member of Ash's group in the future if they blocked anyone showing them that photo)! If Nintendo were to do such thing, they could've done it YEARS ago! Ive even posted a photo of that featured Mario and Link in my drawing on my social media and I've not heard anything from Nintendo.

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/166038/20160701/nintendo-shuts-down-nes-artbook-project-gaming-giant-issues-dmca.htm

And (Maybe NSFW)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1249359

And just so you know. Games *are* Art.



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Pemalite said:
Kai_Mao said:

...Nintendo shutting down art? Where's the evidence of that? I've been on numerous art websites and have seen thousands of Nintendo-related art and none appeared to be in danger of being removed due to Nintendo's doing. Heck, the devs from Pokemon, in which TPCi are known to be protective of the IP and brand, have even commented on fan art on Twitter so they must be okay with them (except for one featuring Serena and Ash in Alola clothes though some fans point out that could be a hint that Serena could remain as a member of Ash's group in the future if they blocked anyone showing them that photo)! If Nintendo were to do such thing, they could've done it YEARS ago! Ive even posted a photo of that featured Mario and Link in my drawing on my social media and I've not heard anything from Nintendo.

http://www.enstarz.com/articles/166038/20160701/nintendo-shuts-down-nes-artbook-project-gaming-giant-issues-dmca.htm

And (Maybe NSFW)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1249359

And just so you know. Games *are* Art.

What I want to know is do you think fan projects deserve money? You do know how trademark works right? You also know the Nintendo strongest asset is these IPs, and what happens if Nintendo does not enforce trademarks? 

Also many companies defend their trademark, namely when their IP name is used. Chrono fan projects get shot down like that.



 

Pemalite said:
potato_hamster said:


There is absolutely no way Nintendo could ever release any of these games officially. Ever.

It simply doesn't work like that. Fan projects are never made to the same checks and balances as actual legitmate video games are. That's fine and dandy on PC, but consoles are different. You're talking a huge undertaking just to QA and certify the game, and if any bugs are found, the only people that can realistically fix it are the people that made the games originally, which means they have Nintendo over a barrel. Aside from that, the code base could be a complete mess, and the game could just barely be functioning. What do you do with a game that appears to be far more stable than it actually is? Remember, if Nintendo releases it, Nintendo has to support it.

It's a gigantic mess. You will never ever see it happen. The best you might see is some of the developers being hired by Nintendo to work on Nintendo's own projects, but that's it.

Of course Nintendo could.
Those fan games are better than some of Nintendo's own recent (Or lack there-of) efforts.

Remember, Nintendo shut down those projects not when they first started... Or years after development... But after all the years of hardwork had been put in, bugs squashed, the games had a high degree of polish and were finally released. In otherwords... Nintendo was an ass.

Valve have historically taken modders who have made high quality mods and turned them into full AAA releases, some of which have even ended up on console, that's the right way to go about it, foster and support the community... Don't stifle and destroy it, you don't do anyone any favors.
Nintendo should rightfully be ridiculed on this, not defended.

Nintendo shut down 562 fan projects... Compound that with their war on Youtube content creators... And well, you get the idea. Nintendo aren't nice.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1273071

You're right. Nintendo isn't nice.  But that's the only thing you're right about.

They still aren't buying and publishing fan projects ever. They really can't do that and it's ridiculous to think so.

Nintendo cannot and will not support fan projects. The simply can't do it. Your comparison to valve is a bit of a silly one. What valve-sanctioned mods (which, by the way is different than an independant release) have been published by valve and released on consoles? I'm almost positive the answer to that is 'none'. Supporting mods, and supporting independant releases that may or may not be built using engines that Nintendo develops and understands are two different things.

It doesn't matter when Nintendo shut them down, those fans started those projects knowing that the would never be allowed to release them freely. And the point remains, it doesn't matter how polished they may appear, the underpinnings of the game could be incredibly unstable, poorly written, incredibly unsecure. What if it turns out that buried deep in the code is a virus that infects the consoles the game are played on, and suddenly Wii Us every where start displaying hardcore porn periodically after the game has been installed for 30 days? Or, any of the other malicious things that can be done when a properly licensed game is ran legally on consoles? That would be on Nintendo. Nintendo simply cannot support these projects in any capacity, much less publish and support them. They would spend almost as much time combing through the game to certify and fix it than the would just making it themselves. It's just so silly to think they might do that.

You can ask anyone here that I'm not exactly a big fan of Nintendo, but this is different. Sony would shut down a fan-made Ratchet and Clank game. Microsoft would shut down a fan made Forza game. Nintendo is doing what any other company in their position would do. You can knock them all you want for shutting down let's plays and youtube videos. It's terrible that they do that. But there's a world of difference about making IP claims on Nintendo videos and shutting down Pokemon Uranium.