Yeah, sometimes. What about the other games you care about? And what about all the ones you don't care about, are you going to include all of them in the value  too? And yeah, you did add the subscription cost - for about a year. I'd say considering how popular online multiplayer on consoles is these days, that's a very short period.

Technically you're correct about owning multiple consoles. You could compare just a single console's price to a PC, and it's probably fine in a lot of cases. But if you look at the bigger picture, it's going to be wrong for a lot of gamers. I'd guess that most casual gamers own just one console, but more dedicated gamers tend to have multiple consoles. I think there have been some polls on this site that have showed that a lot of people here (a majority even) own or plan to get multiple consoles, which suddenly isn't as cheap anymore. So yeah, depending on your gaming habits or what kind of scope you choose for the comparison, limiting it to just a single console vs. PC could be right. But a proper comparison could also look really grim for consoles, depending on gaming habits or choice of scope. It's a complex issue of course. What about people that own both a PC and a console or several? It's pretty difficult to account for all possible, or even popular, cases.

My point is that it's not all black and white. You can find ways to make the situation seem beneficial to either side, but which one offers better value is really up to each person. Personally I find PC gaming offers me the better value, but for a lot of people, it's console gaming that offers better value. And then there's also other factors that aren't directly related to value, such as convenience. To me, it seems that a lot of people choose console gaming over PC gaming even if PC gaming would actually offer them better value, just because of a few exclusives and convenience.

Well the games you dont care about there still free so if someoen checks them out they might end up loving it.

But yeah i think its around 60% of gamers own two consoles/PC/Handheld so there are people that do own multiple gaming devices.

I see where your ocming from because if you already own a gaming PC there isnt much reasson to get  a console or specifically an xbox since PC and Xbox are sharing exclusives.    

Actually, you may be wrong.

Looking at Steam statistics the average users have dated specs. I mean the most common CPU is dual core.

It doesn't take much to run the most popular Steam games. Frankly, many popular PC games are designed for relatively low end specs.

Majority of PC's, even those that are several years old just need a GPU upgrade and they can handle the latest games just fine.

Besides, PC's have cheaper games, cheaper accessories, free online, free games/games upgraded for free. So the overall costs aren't apples to apples like many people think.

Sony was the one who started the upgradable model initiative. Microsoft wanted to beat them to market just like they did with the 360. Let's hope they don't rush the R&D like they did there and cause another colossal failure rate just to prove they can one up Sony. Sony wants to give options to the gamer on consoles so they do not join the rising arm of people who are jumping ship from consoles to PC. Microsoft is following but has not stated any legitimate reason for doing it outside of the fact that they want to have the most powerful upgraded console. As I've always said.... They will always be on sonys rear.

-these graphicscards cost 300€ how is it cheap?

-Console have also cheaper games, you can get a lot of last gen games for pennies on Amazon if you buy them used. We have sales too on PSN/Live/NN. There is all kinds of compeition from digital, retail and second hand market on console. Its cheaper than steam to be honest and you arent dependent on some magical apearing SALE.

$400 is low spec

This is an EVERY generation thing?

On topic:

It just might be a better value...but as someone who is not a PC gamer I can't say for sure.

Perhaps if you count piece by piece hardware value, but certainly not as a platform.

If your really looking at it based on cost and you don't care about anything else there is nothing better then a gaming PC and it's not even an contest.