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Guitarguy on 03 July 2016
Kerotan said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well he's got it right in my opinion.

I don't think IP is damaged, just the potential sales of RotTR. I said that a few times in this thread, that's why a money hat costs money. Tomb Raider's fanbase has grown and shrank in the past.

I think SFV is damaged by being mediocre and losing out to the Xbox userbase entirely. Now lets drop SFV, agreed its a tangent.

I'm not going in circles, you just aren't understanding my points regardless how many times I repeat them. Other users seems to get what I'm saying though.

No most here agree with me.  

 

And another contradiction is saying SFV sold so little on ps4/pc because it's mediocre but it would have sold "millions" on X1. Like do x1 owners not get put off by mediocre games?  Lol of course they do.  And please do drop the tangent.  There was no need to bring it up in the first place.  

 

An ip is damaged if it's sales potential is damaged.  All those non ps4 sales won't just simply return.  It's not like ROTTR is an uncharted 4 quality game of the gen.  It's not that simple my friend. 

Good call there actually.



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kyprime on 03 July 2016

what are we talking about here? if RoTTR would've been released day 1 on ps4/pc/xb1, we all know that the ps4 version would've had sold the most, more than xb1+pc combined, now it's too late, we had uncharted 4 which DESTROYS RoTTR from every point possible as a video game so PS4 fans don't give a f**k about no tomb raider anymore, only hard core tomb raider fans will pick up the game on ps4 and if it sells 500k in a short time that's a lot



Kerotan on 03 July 2016
Guitarguy said:
Kerotan said:

No most here agree with me.  

 

And another contradiction is saying SFV sold so little on ps4/pc because it's mediocre but it would have sold "millions" on X1. Like do x1 owners not get put off by mediocre games?  Lol of course they do.  And please do drop the tangent.  There was no need to bring it up in the first place.  

 

An ip is damaged if it's sales potential is damaged.  All those non ps4 sales won't just simply return.  It's not like ROTTR is an uncharted 4 quality game of the gen.  It's not that simple my friend. 

Good call there actually.

I know right.  I generally reply on here while the game I'm playing such as rocket league,  rainbow 6 or battlefront is loading the next match so I give it about 30 seconds.  Or in this case sitting on the toilet so I've a little longer.  

 

But being I'm generally not arsed going back through the thread pointing out his inconsistencies but he's pretending other wise with his constant replies going nowhere so I said fuck it I'll do it.  Hopefully that's the end of it though. Leave the goal posts alone,  the kids want to play! 



Mr Puggsly on 03 July 2016
Kerotan said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well he's got it right in my opinion.

I don't think IP is damaged, just the potential sales of RotTR. I said that a few times in this thread, that's why a money hat costs money. Tomb Raider's fanbase has grown and shrank in the past.

I think SFV is damaged by being mediocre and losing out to the Xbox userbase entirely. Now lets drop SFV, agreed its a tangent.

I'm not going in circles, you just aren't understanding my points regardless how many times I repeat them. Other users seems to get what I'm saying though.

No most here agree with me.  

And another contradiction is saying SFV sold so little on ps4/pc because it's mediocre but it would have sold "millions" on X1. Like do x1 owners not get put off by mediocre games?  Lol of course they do.  And please do drop the tangent.  There was no need to bring it up in the first place.  

An ip is damaged if it's sales potential is damaged.  All those non ps4 sales won't just simply return.  It's not like ROTTR is an uncharted 4 quality game of the gen.  It's not that simple my friend. 

I dont think they do, you also struggle to understand my points.

I didnt say it was going to sell millions on X1, but millions may have played it on X1. I choose my words carefully and you still misinterpret pretty much all the time. But you wont admit that.

It could be argued that SFIII hurt the IP. But the success of SFIV tells me it didnt. SFV hurt trust in Capcom and SF is getting stale.

Even if RotTR doesent achieve full potential of sales, the IP can be fine. I dont know how to make argument more simple than that. Maybe there is nothing left to say?



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Conina on 03 July 2016
kyprime said:

what are we talking about here? if RoTTR would've been released day 1 on ps4/pc/xb1, we all know that the ps4 version would've had sold the most, more than xb1+pc combined, now it's too late, we had uncharted 4 which DESTROYS RoTTR from every point possible as a video game so PS4 fans don't give a f**k about no tomb raider anymore, only hard core tomb raider fans will pick up the game on ps4 and if it sells 500k in a short time that's a lot

Rise of the Tomb Raider is a great game on its own. The PS4 version will sell, why should people who like these kind of games miss out on a good game? Shall they play through Uncharted 4 instead the third or fourth time?

Perhaps they call the PS4 version the "Definitive Edition" to boost the sales a bit, but I doubt that sales of the PS4 version stay below 2 million units in the long run.



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Kerotan on 03 July 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Kerotan said:

No most here agree with me.  

And another contradiction is saying SFV sold so little on ps4/pc because it's mediocre but it would have sold "millions" on X1. Like do x1 owners not get put off by mediocre games?  Lol of course they do.  And please do drop the tangent.  There was no need to bring it up in the first place.  

An ip is damaged if it's sales potential is damaged.  All those non ps4 sales won't just simply return.  It's not like ROTTR is an uncharted 4 quality game of the gen.  It's not that simple my friend. 

I dont think they do, you also struggle to understand my points.

I didnt say it was going to sell millions on X1, but millions may have played it on X1. I choose my words carefully and you still misinterpret pretty much all the time. But you wont admit that.

It could be argued that SFIII hurt the IP. But the success of SFIV tells me it didnt. SFV hurt trust in Capcom and SF is getting stale.

Even if RotTR doesent achieve full potential of sales, the IP can be fine. I dont know how to make argument more simple than that. Maybe there is nothing left to say?

So let me get this right.  I say sales on xbox would be low,  because #1 ps4 gets sells multiple times the x1 version of most multiplats #2 the series is Playstation biased #3 because the game was mediocre.  

 

And you reply with "millions of Xbox players may have played it".  Low just trying to dodge my point big time lol.  

 

On ROTTR.  Of course the ip can be fine.  I never said it's forever damaged.  But for now it is and they will have to work hard to get it back up. It's clear as day what I'm saying. 



SWORDF1SH on 03 July 2016
Mr Puggsly said:

Other users seems to get what I'm saying though.

Actually I agree with kerotan more but I do see some of your points as valid. And it's not cool "picking your words carefully" to mislead btw. This isn't a MS PR statement.



LudicrousSpeed on 03 July 2016
kyprime said:

what are we talking about here? if RoTTR would've been released day 1 on ps4/pc/xb1, we all know that the ps4 version would've had sold the most, more than xb1+pc combined, now it's too late, we had uncharted 4 which DESTROYS RoTTR from every point possible as a video game so PS4 fans don't give a f**k about no tomb raider anymore, only hard core tomb raider fans will pick up the game on ps4 and if it sells 500k in a short time that's a lot

So there's no point in anyone ever releasing another action game again on PS4? lol, I really don't get this logic and see it all the time regarding TR. Sure, if the games launched a week apart, I could kind of see the point to a degree. But Uncharted 4 is already old news in the game world. TR could release today and lots of PS4 fans would be happy to buy it, let alone months from now when it actually does release.



Mr Puggsly on 03 July 2016
Kerotan said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I dont think they do, you also struggle to understand my points.

I didnt say it was going to sell millions on X1, but millions may have played it on X1. I choose my words carefully and you still misinterpret pretty much all the time. But you wont admit that.

It could be argued that SFIII hurt the IP. But the success of SFIV tells me it didnt. SFV hurt trust in Capcom and SF is getting stale.

Even if RotTR doesent achieve full potential of sales, the IP can be fine. I dont know how to make argument more simple than that. Maybe there is nothing left to say?

So let me get this right.  I say sales on xbox would be low,  because #1 ps4 gets sells multiple times the x1 version of most multiplats #2 the series is Playstation biased #3 because the game was mediocre.  

And you reply with "millions of Xbox players may have played it".  Low just trying to dodge my point big time lol.  

On ROTTR.  Of course the ip can be fine.  I never said it's forever damaged.  But for now it is and they will have to work hard to get it back up. It's clear as day what I'm saying. 

There is arguably more impact on a game from a medicore release thats never coming to a popular platform vs a late port.

I dont think it will take much hardwork to get PS4 users to play RotTR.

Now you get the last word in.



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Mr Puggsly on 03 July 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Other users seems to get what I'm saying though.

Actually I agree with kerotan more but I do see some of your points as valid. And it's not cool "picking your words carefully" to mislead btw. This isn't a MS PR statement.

People pick their words carefully in hopes of avoiding potential arguments. But when people make presumptions then it cant be avoided I suppose. I've been guilty of that but acknowledge it.



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