Nuvendil said: Probably not the worst. There were patches of the N64, GameCube, and especially the Wii that were pretty bad. It's the lack of certainty of the future that's hurting right now, but I'm going to just wait and see what happens. Seriously, people need to calm the heck down. But maybe I'm just more patient. I am an Elder Scrolls fan, our patience has been tried by fire more than once. The Wii U is probably the worst console to be an early adopter of. But that's why I don't early adopt unless games I desperately want are on the platform *at launch*. I don't care if it's a PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, whatever. I buy only when it is worth it. Which is probably why I am quite content with my Wii U and 3DS. Which I got in 2015 and 2014 respectively.

Exactly. I think this year is a good time to buy a Wii U. Many great games to play and My Nintendo coins to use.

But for me, an early adopter, that's awful...

I'm not going to buy NX before it gets cheaper and full of good games to play. Wii U was the last generation I fully supported Nintendo home consoles.

Soundwave said: I think this is the toughest era in the sense this is the least relevant Nintendo has probably ever been since the NES took off. The GameCube at least was still like a valid platform with a lot of third party releases ... the Wii U has been abandoned by third parties since like mid-2013 and is selling far worse than any of the three consoles. GCN at least was close to the XBox and still getting third party titles in 2005. 3DS is going to sell less than the GBA despite having double the life cycle.

GC seems to be an spectacular console when I how Wii U is doing.

I am not sure its worst time, but its bad, saying that I am sure everything will change moment Nintendo unveil NX and NX games. So yes currently is bad, but Nintendo fans have much things to look forward (in just a couple monts).

Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess.

Hardware

Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically.

Software

Splatoon > anything new on the Wii
Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii
Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title).
NSMBU > NSMB Wii
Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game).
Xenoblade X Mario 3D World AC Amiibo Fesitval Smash U > Smash Wii
DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns
Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title

Misc. Nintendo IP ...

Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City
vs
Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment

That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

nintendo is done for me to be honest.

Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

 

I think whether one is satisfied is less about having the best game in franchise (and which are better is mostly opinion in some cases), but more about having a lot of different games and a constant stream of them, and Wii undeniably wins there. I mean Wii had Zelda, Metroid, and Mario all in it's first year with plenty of games inbetween. Wii U still doesn't have Zelda and will never have Metroid, that right there says it all. No real Fire Emblem, Kirby, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Strikers, and so ons either while we're at it.

Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

Nintendo Land doesn't even come close to Wii Sports. I played Nintendo Land a total of two sessions with friends, Wii Sports i played for years. Also you forgot Zelda Skyward Sword. And comparing two great Galaxy games to one Mario 3D World game doesn't add up.

The fact is Wii's motion controls were a succes and Wii-U's tablet controller isn't.

AnthonyW86 said: Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch. Nintendo Land doesn't even come close to Wii Sports. I played Nintendo Land a total of two sessions with friends, Wii Sports i played for years. Also you forgot Zelda Skyward Sword. And comparing two great Galaxy games to one Mario 3D World game doesn't add up. The fact is Wii's motion controls were a succes and Wii-U's tablet controller isn't.

In the long run though motion control largely is irrelevant to modern gaming, mostly because large movement based tracking is fairly imprecise. 

Wii Sports was fun to play with an uncle or aunt for 30-40 minutes, but Nintendo Land is the better "game" IMO, it's still simple to pick up and play but has far more content. 

But realistically something being a success or not shouldn't really affect ones enjoyment of a product. The caveat to that is success with a game platform can be good because it leads to good third party support, but the Wii really didn't even get that, it just got a ton of shitty shovelware and fitness/dance games for soccer moms. 

So in that context what really did the Wiimote do for Nintendo fans? In a "core" game experience, truth be told, I find Splatoon uses motion control more effectively than any Wii title, the aiming setup legitimately makes it a better game, but it isn't done in a "in your face! Look at these people waving their arms around!" type way. 

Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.

Your Wii list is missing Pandora's Tower and Kirby's Return to Dreamland. (Which destroys Rainbow Curse)

Also, Wii had more noteworthy third party exclusives, like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Little King's Story, de Blob, Sonic Colours, (Which destroys Lost World and Boom) No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, etc.

Also, as Einsam rightly points out, Wii had a proper Zelda, Metroid, and an ambitious 3D Mario all in its first 12 months.

Library wise, Wii > Wii U by a signficant margin.

curl-6 said: Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch. Your Wii list is missing Pandora's Tower and Kirby's Return to Dreamland. (Which destroys Rainbow Curse) Also, Wii had more noteworthy third party exclusives, like Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Little King's Story, de Blob, Sonic Colours, (Which destroys Lost World and Boom) No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2, etc. Also, as Einsam rightly points out, Wii had a proper Zelda, Metroid, and an ambitious 3D Mario all in its first 12 months. Library wise, Wii > Wii U by a signficant margin.

The Wii U quality wise ironically probably as many decent third party games even with just a few months of support, Zombi U, Rayman, Call of Duty: BLOPS 2, Batman Arkham, Need for Speed, Tekken, had a decent start, shame it couldn't sustain itself. 

Of course the Wii should have a better overall library, it had 6 years of support vs. 3 1/2 for the Wii U, but the Wii U isn't even that far off.

The main boom for the Wii was overwhelming market success but by and large what that mostly brought Nintendo fans was crappy third party shovelware and "me-too" fitness/dance soccer mom crap-athons.

Wii's Zelda was ripped off from a GameCube game with controls slapped onto it, remove that and Wii's first year is alright but probably a fair sized step down from the GameCube's first year.

To be honest I think I enjoyed my Wii U more than the Wii. While the two Mario Galaxy games are outstanding achievements, beyond that I found Splatoon, Mario Maker, Mario 3D World as my other favorite games as they're on Wii U. Wii U also has the better Mario Kart and Smash Brothers which is not too shabby. And once you get used to Nintendo games in HD, you never want to go back, gimme HD over waggle any day, it never really added much to things like Mario Galaxy or DKC anyway.

Generally speaking though I won't miss the Wii brand (Wii or Wii U) much at all, did not like this era too much, the Wii U fizzling out completely is just the low point. Much prefer the N64/GCN or NES/SNES eras.

Einsam_Delphin said: Soundwave said: Wii vs Wii U is interesting I guess. Hardware Wii U > Wii (Wii U was a good sized upgrade even if it was still competitively outdated), Wii was a repackaged GameCube basically. Software Splatoon > anything new on the Wii Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii Bayonetta 2 = Metroid Prime 3 (the token Nintendo "hardcore" title). NSMBU > NSMB Wii Nintendo Land > Wii Sports/Fit (Sports/Fit might be more casual, but NL is the better overall game). Xenoblade X < Xenoblade Chronicles Mario 3D World < SMG 1&2 AC Amiibo Fesitval < AC City Folk Smash U > Smash Wii DKC: Tropical Freeze > DKC Returns Mario Maker > any remaining major Wii title Misc. Nintendo IP ... Captain Toad + Yoshi's Wooly World + Star Fox 0 + Devil's Third + Pikmin 3 + Wonderful 101, LEGO City vs Kirby's Epic Yarn, The Last Story, Excite Truck, Punch-Out!, Endless Ocean 1/2, Sin & Punishment That's pretty close, I'd say Wii has a small edge here, but Pikmin 3 is probably the best game of that bunch.   I think whether one is satisfied is less about having the best game in franchise (and which are better is mostly opinion in some cases), but more about having a lot of different games and a constant stream of them, and Wii undeniably wins there. I mean Wii had Zelda, Metroid, and Mario all in it's first year with plenty of games inbetween. Wii U still doesn't have Zelda and will never have Metroid, that right there says it all. No real Fire Emblem, Kirby, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Strikers, and so ons either while we're at it.

This. The Wii was treated like a real Nintendo homeconsole.