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Robert_Downey_Jr. on 19 February 2016
Machiavellian said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Making basically all of their games playable through PC is a move towards saying "Xbox isn't gone, we're just making it part of PC now!" as a means to disguise giving up on consoles.

Actually no it does not.  What it means is that MS is a business that have multiple ecosystems.  They have published their games on PC before and if anything this is just a recommitment to the same strategy they did when they started within the industry.  MS has always wanted and still have a hardware device under the TV and they still want their PC endeavors to continue to push adoption of their OS and services. 

If anything, MS publishing games under the PC means that they are recommitted to trying to established their games publishing arm on Windows 10 and future OS's.  They want customers to have a reason to purchase from the MS store also get those customers to use their XBL services on their Primary platform.  PC and Console gamers really are not the same when you talk about the total install base. 

 

It really just makes sense for MS to try to leverage their game division to publish for both of their ecosystems to maximize profits and increase adoption of their services across all of their platforms.  This in no way means they will suddenly abandon the Console market if anything, they are probably even more committed because they still need a piece of hardware underneath the TV.  The thing is, they will have probably multiple different ways to access their games and services by providing something like a Steambox that streams from your PC or the internet using Azure as their back end.  They will also have another console for their next generation because they want that market as well.  

the more they make available on PC the more the dilute the Xbox brand for consoles.



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Machiavellian on 19 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
SWORDF1SH said:

Lol let's play 'you hate me' card. You are still missing the point and your turning this into something else. I actually have more confidence in reason 1 but not because of you. You had 2 chances to reply to me but you just replied with absolutely nothing.

I asked for link to get the an understanding the context of why they believed consoles would be a threat. Talking to mjk put more context on it. You could of done the same. To tell the truth a simple reply to my first comment would of prevented where we're at. All I wanted is to understand your opinion and as it's your opinion, talking about it is the whole point of a forum.

If you want to sulk over me calling your thread tripe instead of talking about, fine, it only generates the illusion that you do not know what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway thanks to mjk and ruler for doing rols work. Now I usually have a 3 strike rule but you've had more than enough strikes so excuse if I don't reply to next post.

What's in the OP isn't my opinion for why Microsoft entered the console business. It's factual.

When others already provided you with additional information while I was offline, then it's redundant for me to post exactly the same things afterwards. You already got what you asked for and at that point you should be man enough to admit that I was right all along. Come on, say it. Rol was right.

It really does not matter why MS entered the console business a long time ago because the leadership has changed radically since then.  Actually MS as a company has radically changed from that period so trying to look at the pass to determine who MS will run in the future is pretty much a waste of time.  Instead you should be looking at the direction of MS today and their future plans to try to understand where the Xbox division will go.



Machiavellian on 19 February 2016
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

the more they make available on PC the more the dilute the Xbox brand for consoles.

Exactly how does this dilute their Console Brand.  Are you telling me the majority of Console consumers have gaming PCs.  How many people in your circle have gameing PCs.  Also if MS provide a Streabox that allow PC players to play MS games on their TV, stay within MS XBL services how does this dilute the Xbox Conxole brand.  In other words, if you are only looking at a console as the current system we have today, I would say you probably not looking at how this concept will change in the next 5 years.

Personally I would not be surprise if people will not be able to steam a game directly from their Phone and have PS4 quality graphics in the next 5 years.  The company that on the forefront on delivering that tech will be the next hit.  



jonathanalis on 19 February 2016

I think they are puting xbox games on PC, exclusive to their shop, to compete with steam.
it dont hurt the console market, because it is still console exclusive(and considering pc gamers and console gamers are different publics).
Thinking about future, is possible they give up on xbox. but they would want something bigger than steam on windows PCs.



3sexty on 19 February 2016

The author of this thread has hugely overthought this issue. Everyone knows that Microsoft's intention with Windows 10 is to make it cross platform across all devices, - not to abandon a particular platform. This has been obvious ever since W10 was announced. Not sure what all the fuss is over TBH. I think some people may have way too much time on their hands or just way to anxious. Its quite clear to me that MS are integrating all their offerings as a future proof measure. Quite clever actually. Others are not even thinking this way ahead. Console Hardware will not last forever in any case and that is a fact. This ensures continuation of the perform when it becomes more a brand and just a service on other machines. Sony and Nintendo will have to do the same some day.



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TheSting on 19 February 2016
Nate4Drake said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Abandon ship fellow Xbox fans, don't you see the writing on the wall? It's all over, sell your Xbox One and go buy a gaming PC and PS4.

I would not sell the X1; rather I would buy a PS4 so that they will realize it is a better console :D

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Machiavellian on 19 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:

It really does not matter why MS entered the console business a long time ago because the leadership has changed radically since then.  Actually MS as a company has radically changed from that period so trying to look at the pass to determine who MS will run in the future is pretty much a waste of time.  Instead you should be looking at the direction of MS today and their future plans to try to understand where the Xbox division will go.

There is some merit to this argument.

What we could witness in the last few years is that Xbox has certainly lost importance for Microsoft. When it started, the console business was allowed to throw billions of dollars down the drain, but nowadays Xbox has to sustain itself instead of being subsidized by other divisions. Hence why Sony is able to get so many deals with third party franchises. Microsoft's console business doesn't get the same funds for bidding wars anymore, so they have to be a lot more selective than in the past.

In other words, since Xbox isn't really a defensive measure anymore, Microsoft's willingness to spend money on gaming has decreased.

Actually I am not so sure if the xbox has lost more importance than MS is looking at the whole division in a different way.  what I mean by this is that MS want want Apple has which is a consumer pressence.  They also want to leverage their backend products like Azure to be the forfront tech for delivering content, which also include games.  The thing is, I believe a lot of gamers are holding on to much to consoles as they are today but that is a very limited vision.  The key for MS, Sony and Nintendo is to make sure they can deliver their content on any device.  Sony started with PS Now, Not sure what Nintendo is doing but I am sure they are doing something and MS is doing it with Azure.  I still feel that your TV console system will be there in another generation but i also feel that with current technology, people will be able to easily stream PS4 quality graphics to their TV from their Phone/ Tablet or some streambox.  

It really would be silly for any of these companies not to see the shift in how consumers want to consume their entertainment.  MS defintely want a box underneath the TV because their major competitors are still making such boxes like Google and Apple.  MS does not just compete with Sony and even Sony best not consume theirselves just looking at MS or Nintendo.  The market is exploding which gaming devices but the company that is ready to take charge in the near future will reap the rewards.



AsGryffynn on 19 February 2016

If the Xbox brand dies, console gaming dies for me and I become a PC mustard rice only player, but I will also refuse to use Steam. I will keep to MS branded services and support Microsoft's efforts for world domination like they planned in the 90's...



Azuren on 19 February 2016
padib said:
Azuren said:

Except not really, because the Xbox One is fighting a desperate fight in its best territories and losing. Elsewhere is a non-factor. The last time this was an issue was during the first Xbox, but exclusives kept it afloat. 

 

But without those...

So was the PS3 last gen, so was the cube before the Wii.

So I'll say again it was a great post, and unfortunatey that kind of logic has been lost on the forum for a while because people have become very near-sighted. It's unfortunate.

Except no, because the PS3 and GC still had exclusives and a demand. Right now, there are only 7 true exclusives (that matter, ie not casual games or darkhorse indie titles) slated for 2016 Xbox One. That's pretty dang sparse. And this is assuming Forza, Gears, and Scalebound don't make their way to PC.



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Swordmasterman on 19 February 2016
Snoopy said:
Xbox one is still selling pretty well. Does Apple need to leave the smart phone because it's selling less than Android or eave mac industry because pc outsells them? Hell no. They make too much money off of xbox recently and expanding it to PC will only bring them more money. More money equals more games and more investments.

Actually Apple, sell much more Phones, and Ipads, than Xbox One, last year was over 360 Millions of devices, more than devices with Windows, and they have a Huge Profit margin.

 

Xbox One, is selling less than Playstation 4, but they are selling it much cheaper than Playstation 4, and Playstation 4, is selling much more Software, the gap only get bigger.