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oniyide on 25 January 2016
spurgeonryan said:
oniyide said:

 

And they havent released enough for you? Cause if they havent thats kind of a you problem, not a Nintendo one. You gamble EVERY time you buy a game system, some of them flop some of them dont. People say Ninty didnt do this or that, but they keep buying there systems, how about stop doing that?

 

Since when is buying a console like playing the lottery? If it was some knockoff that I picked up from the internet then I would be gambling. A 10 dollar movie is a gamble. 330 dollars on a system from a reputable company is not a gamble.

 

So you are saying that if a system does mediocre and they stop supporting it early that we should "gamble" on the next one?

 

bad odds my friend.

 

are there any gaurantees that whatever system you buy will get support? No there are not promises. Wii U could have gotten dropped in its 2nd year. A lot of consoles got little support. That is a fact, so yes it is a gamble. If not then everybody who bought one would be satisifed and since they are clearly not...

No you shouldnt, thats my point but i suspect most of them will anyway and the cycle witll continue.



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oniyide on 25 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
oniyide said:
Wyrdness said:

 

A lot of you are missing his point, the casuals and such never walked away in fact many of them are still around on 3DS as Tomodachi Life showed, Nintendo just stopped catering to them this gen just to cater to gamers like yourself as they did during the GC era. Many of them would come back if they started catering to them again, the 3DS retained a few games that catered to them like AC, Tomodachi Life and even big hitters like Pokemon appeals to them but the Wii U practically flushed all games aimed at them down the drain in favour of an approach more geared to the so called core group and it resulted in another GC show.

Think of this if NX is a hybrid platform Pokemon NX alone would bring in possibly more sales then Wii U has in total right now, AC NX could bring in a total of half the amount of sales Wii U has now because these titles have far wider appeal. He's right in that you as a hardcore fan would either get NX in the long run or be replaced by 5 or so other gamers if they had stuck to catering to everyone.

if this is true why isnt 3ds doing DS or even Wii numbers? why did the 3ds version of say, Nintendogs not do anywhere near the numbers of the DS one?

 

You asked a question that's already answered and in the very part you bolded, 3DS only partially caters to non-gamers and casuals.

 

alot of those popular "casual" games did get a follow up on 3DS, but it still hasnt come close to Ds numbers so it must be some other factor.



AZWification on 25 January 2016

Putting Zelda U on the NX would result in more sales for the game,  I don't see how the hell is that a bad thing..



                
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oniyide on 25 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

if this is true why isnt 3ds doing DS or even Wii numbers? why did the 3ds version of say, Nintendogs not do anywhere near the numbers of the DS one?

 

Well its hard to argue that Nintendo hasn't actively tried supporting them to the same extent that they did on DS. One thing is we saw a handful of big casual releases in a small time frame.

Nintendogs-August 2005 (also a price cut)

Mario Kart DS-November 2005

Animal Crossing: Wild World-December 2005

Brain Age-April 2006

New Super Mario Bros.-May 2006 (much sleeker/stylish revision)

Big Brain Academy-June 2006

From there things started to snowball with Nintendo & 3rd parties continuing to provide new casual-friendly experiences on a consistent basis over the next few years, Cooking/Gardening Mama, Professor Layton, Guitar Hero, Imagine Series, Style Savvy, Art Academy, Personal Trainer Series, Flash Focus, Rhythm Heaven, WarioWare, Scribblenauts, etc.

3DS has not had nearly the number of casual focused software released for it and Nintendo made mistakes in terms of design, price and marketing which hurt the device.

Another massive point that people forget or ignore is that the majority of R&D for 3DS happened before the mobile gaming market exploded in popularity. It was designed as if they had no mobile competitors since the mobile gaming scene was not nearly as large in 2006-2009 when the device was being designed. That's what is interesting going forward, NX will be the first device built from the ground up after the mobile market became mainstream, I'm really interested in seeing how they adapt.

 

a good chunk of the games you mentioned had follow ups on 3DS, they didnt do too good, so what were they suppossed to do? Keep making games in the series that clearly people didnt care for too much anymore? What would have been the excuse then? I will say that marketing and price hurt it more than anything. Whats interesting and what people want to ignore is that those games were NEVER going to sustain those kinds of numbers. You can even look at the WIi games for proof by the 3rd iteration of a game the numbers drop drastically. Zumba, Carnival Games, Deca Sports all of them dropped more and more despite Wii user base getting bigger and bigger. 

As for the RnD thats on Ninty for underestimating cell phones and tablets, but we will see what they do now.



Soundwave on 25 January 2016

Even if Nintendo's strategy of 4-5 casual games/year from the DS/Wii had held up ...

It's quite frankly a piss drop in a bucket compared to the casual game market on iOS/Android.

4-5 games? Don't make me laugh, mobile gets like 300-400 casual games each year. For free.

What are you supposed to do as Nintendo? Go into the smartphone market and compete head on with Apple for free/zero margin games?

Nintendo cannot compete against that. iOS/Android fight dirty, Nintendo did not know how to react to this, they're used to competing against Sony/MS that largely play by the same rules. 

Sony never did anything crazy like start selling Vita games for $1 a pop, they all played by the same rules. But Apple/Google don't. 



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KungKras on 25 January 2016

Someone mentioned privilege. Triggered.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 25 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

The mega kitty thread has developed into sub-discussions and already seen a spinoff thread, so I thought I make one as well. The topic that I will be tackling is consumer trust, namely that "Zelda U has to be Wii U exclusive because Nintendo owes it to their fans" and everything else that is relevant to that line of thinking.

I get it, some Wii U owners feel like they deserve a reward for sticking with Nintendo during these rough times, but the reality is that you already got it. There's a good chance that in 2015 you bought one or more of the following games: Splatoon, Yoshi's Woolly World, Super Mario Maker, Xenoblade Chronicles X. There's also a good chance that you really enjoyed at least one of them. And in the previous years you bought and enjoyed Wii U games as well. Besides, a dual-platform release of Zelda U would still allow you to play the game on your Wii U. On the other hand, those who don't own a Wii U missed out on a lot of great games.

Looking at the even bigger picture, there's the belief that Nintendo has to please their most loyal fans because it is them who will accompany Nintendo even during the times when things aren't rosy. Conversely, things that are done to please current non-consumers are considered offensive. Essentially, the Wii U owner is the most valuable Nintendo fan while the non-Wii U owner is scum who doesn't deserve anything; not now and not in the future. Currently we are in a very similar situation as ten years ago when the GameCube was on its last legs and Twilight Princess was prepared for a dual-platform release. Nintendo's Revolution, later called the Wii, also wasn't a continuation of the GC philosophy. As you can see below my avatar, I've been here since early 2007. So let's talk a little about the Wii, also known as:

The Judas of Gaming

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Actually in the other thread I didn't even remotely consider Wii U exclusivity or not of Zelda or other titles as one of the possible reasons to delay or accelerate Home NX release.
I agree with you, Zelda most likely won't be Wii U exclusive, and not only this, IMVHO the vast majority of Wii U gamers won't mind about it being multiplat, they'll just be very happy if there will be a Wii U version. Ninty has most reasons to make it multiplat, few reasons to make it a NX exclusive (maybe some more reasons to make it a NX launch timed exclusive) and even fewer reasons to make it a Wii U exclusive. Outside of gaming forums, most people don't even remotely care if a game they like is also on other platforms, they just care that it be on a platform they own, and in many cases they know some franchises are Ninty exclusives, but they aren't by any means offended if a game is on more than one Ninty platform, they are obviously happy if they own a Ninty console and a good Ninty game is available on it, but they won't hate Nintendo if it releases that game on other platforms, most of them will be happy instead for other gamers being able to play it.





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bunchanumbers on 25 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

 

If you're honestly saying Twilight Princess was the reason people bought a Wii you I would personally just laugh. Nintendo got lucky, but you can only bet on the long shot so many times. When it works you get the Wii, when it doesn't you get a Wii U, and honestly when you burn bridges along the way you get less than that.

Lets be honest you guys raising such a big stink will be all like "I hate you Nintendo! You betra ... IS THAT THE NEW MARIO AND METROID ON NX! HOLY SHITIITTITI!!!!!!! WITH A LIMITED EDITION FIFTH SAMUS AMIIBO!!!!!! SOLLDLDDD!", five minutes after Nintendo shows the NX with a few trailers. 

Who are we kidding here. 

The people even willing to buy a Wii U aren't going anywhere, they just raise a big stink on message boards, but they're lifers. 

Nintendo doesn't need to worry about this 10 million audience, they need to worry about the 90 million others who would rather buy a Playstation or XBox. 

Well Nintendo does need to worry about those 10 million. Just not in the traditional sense. Its at the point where kids at Nintendo's prime are adults and are having kids of their own. In a perfect world, those parents will be showing their kids the things they loved as kids, including Nintendo. If Nintendo ticks them off, they will end up losing a valuable resource which will be future customers. It won't be the fans in forums that dictate Nintendo's future. It'll be the parents today who grew up with Nintendo.





Wyrdness on 25 January 2016
Cloudman said:

So then, isn't Nintendo still satisfying their fan base if they continue what they're doing, but with your proposal as well? What would be the problem then? o:

 


That's the thing the is no problem people just don't like seeing another group other then themselves also benefit, they feel as if all the focus should be on themselves this is what the thread is taking aim at, to give you an example of such behaviour check out the reactions of when DMC4 and FF XIII were no longer exclusive to PS3.



Lonely_Dolphin on 25 January 2016

I bought the Wii after 5 months and the Wii U after 18 months while it was on sale. Clearly I have standards and am not a sheep!