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Gamemaster87 said:

Dude, just look at the 3DS lineup for this year: outsourced projects and late localiaztions. 

Let's look at Wii U then:

Twilight Princess HD: Outsourced to Tantalus

Starfox Zero: Outsourced to Platinum

Shin Megami Tensai x Fire Emblem: Late localization

Pokken Tournament: Late port

Mario & Sonic at the Rio Olympics: Outsourced to Sega

With the exception of Zelda U, Nintendo has well and truly moved on from Wii U, their major studios are likely all deep into NX development.



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midrange said:
wombat123 said:
midrange said:
Darwinianevolution said:
midrange said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Nogamez said:

Nintendo already got the flagship AC imo ( no pun intended) ACIV blackflag!



Jokes aside, if this is true, Ubisoft has no faith on the NX. They put AC3 and AC blackflag on the U, and for the NX just Liberation?

Then again, this sounds like a very fake leak, the only thing it's sounds legit its Ubi porting a Vita game to the NX. I suspect we'll see a lot of those in the future.



Are you surprised at ubisoft's commitment? I don't know if this is right or not, but after Ubisoft was burned by the wii u launch (they were about to give them 2 great launch exclusives!) it wouldnt surprise me that ubi just wants to test it out with a port and rayman

Well, it seems that, out of the three big western publishers, Ubisoft is the one more willing to give Nintendo a chance. Activision stopped the support once they saw CoD couldn't sell, and EA outright boycotted the WiiU with that unnacceptable Origin deal. Ubisoft kept the support for a while, albeit with weaker versions of the games, and no DLC (but they are hardly the only ones).

Even if Ubisoft has less hopes on the NX, a vita port of a game four years old from a franchise that didn't sell well on Nintendo platforms to begin with seems foolish. A port of Grown Home would seem more plausible.



The port of AC from the vita does seem odd at first, but once you realize that ubisoft Bucharest made that game and has experience porting to Nintendo consoles, it makes sense to use that port to both test the hardware and the audience without wasting too much money.

Rayman is self explanatory as to why it's a good game to launch the NX with

Yeah, I think all the major western 3rd parties are going to do some low-risk, low fanfare ports to test out how difficult it will be to work with the NX before commiting to it.  If it isn't around the same level of ease as the PS4/xbox one then I fully expect them to ignore the NX as well.  Nintendo should go into the NX fully expecting western 3rd parties to give them the cold shoulder and only depend on themselves and select Japanese 3rd parties until western publishers show a solid commitment towards supporting them.

Actually, the NX has to be way easier todevelop for than the ps4/Xbox one in order to win back third parties. Even if the NX is easy to work with, I anticipate the audience and install base to be an issue, therefore Nintendo needs to further incetivise third parties, not just match the competition.

and yeah, I think a lot of third parties are gonna put out low risk games to test the water. if you burnt your friends in the past (wii u) don't expect them to be friendly the next time you see them

A better selection of the games they bring to the system will help. If the audience buys colourful games and RPGs, bring Grow Home and Cild of Light instead of the next AC. Some games will sell no matter what, like the FIFAs, but if one kind of audience has proven profitable on the system, catter to them first before pulling the plug. After Splatoon, I'm sure EA would like to bring Plants VS Zombies to the NX (if they bother to properly support the console this time). Activision will continue with Skylanders because it's successfull on the WiiU (and they could even add some cross compatibility with amiibos). Ubisoft has Rayman, and that sold well on the system, so it would be plausible to bring it to the NX. Companies less focused on family-friendly games might not be supportive at first, but if Xenoblade Chronicles X sells well, it may attract a couple of ports from Bethesda or T2.

But I'm sure the support Nintendo really wants, from beginning to end, are the eastern publishers. Those companies supported and kept the Vita alive in Japan (and basically everywhere else), so they are crucial to fuel at least the NX handheld. With the Vita not getting a successor, it looks like the NX will have to compete only against the mobile market, and that may change if the mobile strategy Nintendo is following gets integrated on their hardware. Imagine all the games the NX could suddenly get if those companies port their Vita games to the NX, decent 3rd party support for a couple of years.



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Darwinianevolution said:
bigtakilla said:

Let's just say this is real (which I highly doubt it is), Wii U had a lot of great games from Ubisoft at its release. Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Zombie U, and the definitive version of Rayman Legends. Ubisoft could hardly help the fact that no one was buying. This is one of the 3rd parties I have absolutely no problem with. It's the freaking bullcrap EA done (Mass Effect 3 and not 1 and 2), Warner Bros (and the half assed Batman Arkham Origins with no online or last story mode dlc), and all those other companies who half assed ports of their games that ran at worse framerates, looked worse than, and didn't add all the content that pissed me off.

I can only hope and dream that Ubisoft gives half the fuck they gave Wii U early in its life to the NX. It's up to Nintendo to make sure the games sell. 



How can Nintendo make their userbase buy Ubi games? They could help advertise those games and even help porting some titles, but making the userbase suddenly interested is a whole different thing.



 

Well Nintendo could actually develop other titles that appeal to the same market that Ubisoft and other 3rd party publishers target.

You only have to look at the kind of games Nintendo releases, then look at the kinds of games they don't to see that there's quite a large range of stuff that Nintendo could try their hands at making to gain more attention from the market as a whole.

Hell indie studios are showing that you don't need huge AAA budgets to make awesome games, you just need flexible tools, ideas and a bit of time to work your ideas into something tangible. When studios like Hello Games can make galaxy sized games, with mountains of gameplay potential or a studio like Media Molecule can make a digital creation platform, with unlimited creative potential like Dreams with fewer than 60 people well Nintendo shouldn't have any issues churning out a bunch of awesome games that appeal to more than just the faithful core Nintendo audience.

If Nintendo had reacted fast enough they could have kept 3rd party coming to them with something. Wii U is still capable of running a lot of the 3rd party games we've seen, just not at the resolutions or with all of the visual features that PS4 and XB1 are capable of pushing.



It's Ubisoft so I won't bite, but I voted yes for the lulz!



Nem said:


They stated they will keep supporting the Wii U.

 

See, this is what i have trouble with. You guys just go on a tangent without facts. Yes, its possible. And are we really assuming that Nintendo  can support this NX home console better than they did the Wii U? Its next-gen, yet they will increase their output and fasten their development cycles.

 

I'm sorry, but i just don't see how you can see these unrealistic things. There's a dream here of a "super" Nintendo that is too far detached from reality.

 

You guys think making HD games is trivial and fast. Nintendo made Xenoblade X, made Splatoon, made Youshi's whooly world, made mario party 10, mario tennis ultra, super mario maker, coming out of Smash in december of last year. Nintendo released 7, almost 8 HD in one year, the most every other publisher has done, and you believe they are holding back development for a new system? No, this is Nintendo's maximum output of HD titles. This super Nintendo that is holding back and has lots of new next-gen games under development is a figment of the imagination. To make those games you need teams of a hundread plus people. And to add to that they are already developing Fire emblem x SMT, Star fox zero, Zelda Wii U, pikmin 4 that we already know of. Thats about half of their output for next year.

Are some of their studios working on stuff for a future console? Sure. Its obvious that retro has been holding back and 3D mario team has been working on something. Mario kart team has wrapped up mario kart 8 dlc last year and are working on something. But these somethings, beeing next-gen development won't be ready for this year. Or, i would be extremely surprised if it was.

 

 

Yep they've stated lot's of things, some of which were lies or never came to pass. That's why actions speak louder than words, and why their 2015 game announcements have painted a clear picture for 3DS and Wii U's future. And yes it is a fact that Nintendo's announced in 2015 games are either low budget or not even made by them. I mean do you honestly believe Amiibo Festival took serious effort? Almost all of them reused assets and engines from other games, that's obvious just by looking at them.

SMTxFE and Starfox are not made by Nintendo but by Atlus and Plantinum respectively, but regardless most of those games you mentioned aren't as telling since they started being planned or worked on before the Wii U was proven to be beyond saving. Hell the only 2016 Wii U game that we didn't already know about years ago is TPHD, a slighty better than a port that's also not even made by Nintendo. So yeah, I think all this outweighs that statement you didn't even provide a source or context for, the latter of which being important because yeah, technically they are still supporting the Wii U, just not nearly as much as normal, and not for much longer. Also are you implying Pikmin 4 is for Wii U cause the fact that they didn't reveal it in the november direct despite it being near completion says otherwise.

EDIT: Ignore this and respond to Hiku already.



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Darwinianevolution said:
midrange said:

Actually, the NX has to be way easier todevelop for than the ps4/Xbox one in order to win back third parties. Even if the NX is easy to work with, I anticipate the audience and install base to be an issue, therefore Nintendo needs to further incetivise third parties, not just match the competition.

and yeah, I think a lot of third parties are gonna put out low risk games to test the water. if you burnt your friends in the past (wii u) don't expect them to be friendly the next time you see them

A better selection of the games they bring to the system will help. If the audience buys colourful games and RPGs, bring Grow Home and Cild of Light instead of the next AC. Some games will sell no matter what, like the FIFAs, but if one kind of audience has proven profitable on the system, catter to them first before pulling the plug. After Splatoon, I'm sure EA would like to bring Plants VS Zombies to the NX (if they bother to properly support the console this time). Activision will continue with Skylanders because it's successfull on the WiiU (and they could even add some cross compatibility with amiibos). Ubisoft has Rayman, and that sold well on the system, so it would be plausible to bring it to the NX. Companies less focused on family-friendly games might not be supportive at first, but if Xenoblade Chronicles X sells well, it may attract a couple of ports from Bethesda or T2.

But I'm sure the support Nintendo really wants from beginning to end, is the eastern publishers. Those companies supported and kept the Vita alive in Japan (and basically everywhere else), so they are crucial to fuel at least the NX handheld. With the Vita not getting a successor, it looks like the NX will have to compete only against the mobile market, and that may change if the mobile strategy Nintendo is following gets integrated on their hardware. Imagine all the games the NX could suddenly get if those companies port their Vita games to the NX, decent 3rd party support for a couple of years.

Interesting ideas for expanding the audience, but they are only small things that will help. Family focused games arent too bad (Nintendo is basically gauranteed just dance, skylanders, and rayman), EA is the only issue with FIFA and P vs Z support.

But in order for the mature third party to comeback, 1 or 2 good games aren't enough (otherwise bayonetta 2 would have made third party games comeback).

Nintendo needs 3 things:

1) Crazy easy development tools - it has to be easy and cost effective to port for the NX. Publishers have to think "We may as well port to NX since its cheap and easy money" instead of "make the ps4 version THE place to play"

2) Better communication with third parties - no. 1 reason why bethesda never gave the wii u a chance, big reason why publishers liked working with the ps4.

3) Third party exclusives - games to associate Nintendo with to expand their audience. When people say bayonetta, they now think of Nintendo. This needs to be the case with more highly rated mature IP (xenoblade is also good).





Lots has changed in the past few years and I think NX will have to reflect that ...

- The home console business .... Nintendo's is largely irrelevant in the market. And the home console is largely dead in Japan.

- With increasing technology, Nintendo can no long support a seperate handheld and home console (neither can Sony or MS). This isn't the Game Boy era where you could half-ass a couple of Donkey Kong Country ports and 2-3 other projects made by a team of 10 people and that was good enough for your yearly line up. Nintendo fans that think can just keep making consoles and handhelds the same way forever are naive. Today the 3DS requires a ton of resources and requires its own mainline Mario, Smash, Mario Kart, Zelda, Animal Crossing, etc. games, in fact it's arguably now the lead platform for some of these IP.

- The impact of mobile on Nintendo's handheld business has been devastating.



I think that the NX will be a handheld and a home console.  I hope that it can play 3D like the 3DS, which I think is the next level of gaming and movies.  All I know it's that I trust Nintendo.  They are bold and brave and they have a goal to give the gamer a good experience that they can be wowed by.  They do what they think is fun and right - for example - releasing a purple Nintendo GameCube!  That probably wasn't he best idea but I love that they did it.  Nintendo has always been ahead of the game when it comes to gaming ideas even if the graphics haven't been as powerful as their rivals.  Their games are hard - Mario Galaxy, Zelda: Skyward Sword and even Donkey Kong Country 5 - hose are examples of hard games.  They will make NX greater than any system before it.  



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Hiku said:

*A whole lotta good stuff*


My bads, I seem to have givin him a scapegoat. I'll just let you deal with him then!