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Your Thoughts On B/C

You're Wrong, Game Changer! 94 23.50%
 
You're Right, Not That Big A Deal 186 46.50%
 
In Between, It'll Cause ... 120 30.00%
 
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IAmCrimsonLegion said:
pbroy said:
IAmCrimsonLegion said:
I like the concept of the Xbox One BC with the 360, but I'm worried about its execution. I have a few of the big titles that were released and it's inevitable that they will be supported, but what about the smaller, niche titles? What about the titles whose licenses or developers are no longer valid? I can say with certainty I will be able to play a Bioshock or a Halo or a Gears or a Mass Effect on the Xbox One, but will I be able to play a Akai Katana, a Deathsmiles, a Binary Domain, a Tales of Vesperia, or an Magna Carta 2? Will the publishers even bother?


Up vote them. I did for some of those titles you mentioned, when I did it yesterday. You'd be surprised how many votes they've been getting.

https://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/298503-backwards-compatibility

Thanks for the link. Man, they only have a couple hundred votes. :(

I voted up Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and Blue Dragon. I'll upvote the others for you later.









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walsufnir said:
Xenostar said:


What do you mean the ps1 classic money went to sony first, ps one classics sales were no differnt to any other game sales, platform holder takes 30% the rest goes to publisher. 

ITs the same process for both, neither sony or MS can just put up old games for sale, they need the publisher to say they want them up there first. For digital games this will be less of an issue as there still for sale on 360, but for disk games, the publishers will need to set there price check for any licensing issues(this was the biggest issue on ps1 games) and also decide if they really want to give away the chance of a HD remake in the future. 


Sony sold games that weren't sold anymore officially. I don't know how much money goes to publishers in any way, do you have a link for 30%? But again, it is totally different, as you can see in my first sentence.

And there are still answers missing for the questions I asked in the reply at the beginning of this discussion.

Either way, the talk is useless as this turns out to be a defending discussion instead of a technical discussion and I am not interested in that, at least not really. In my opinion, publishers will allow this more than many people think and I already explained why. If it turns out to be false, so be it.

30% is just the standard cut platform holders take on all game sales on there stores, i know this from working in the industry sorry i cant link you to any official documents, i obviously havent dealt with BC games for XBO yet, but there is no reason the cut would be any differnt. It never has been for anything else. 

You ask me for answers to your question, sorry i cant link to a report the knowledge comes from using the service and being part of the community and giving feedback on why so few games ever got released and why we had to wait sooo long for games like resident evil 2 and 3 in europe. 

But then you give statements like "Btw, with PSOne Classics the money went to Sony first. Here no money goes to MS," Which is completly false with no evidence, 



Xenostar said:
walsufnir said:


Sony sold games that weren't sold anymore officially. I don't know how much money goes to publishers in any way, do you have a link for 30%? But again, it is totally different, as you can see in my first sentence.

And there are still answers missing for the questions I asked in the reply at the beginning of this discussion.

Either way, the talk is useless as this turns out to be a defending discussion instead of a technical discussion and I am not interested in that, at least not really. In my opinion, publishers will allow this more than many people think and I already explained why. If it turns out to be false, so be it.

30% is just the standard cut platform holders take on all game sales on there stores, i know this from working in the industry sorry i cant link you to any official documents, i obviously havent dealt with BC games for XBO yet, but there is no reason the cut would be any differnt. It never has been for anything else. 

You ask me for answers to your question, sorry i cant link to a report the knowledge comes from using the service and being part of the community and giving feedback on why so few games ever got released and why we had to wait sooo long for games like resident evil 2 and 3 in europe. 

But then you give statements like "Btw, with PSOne Classics the money went to Sony first. Here no money goes to MS," Which is completly false with no evidence, 


This was meant like "no extra money". All I was saying the whole time is that this is not something that is totally new for publishers, there is no new platform or anything. It's the same platform like it is today, no differences. They just have to allow the games to be also played via emulation on Xbone which is in the end a 360.



BC is only good if its on a Sony console, otherwise its irrelevant.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=196020&page=1#4



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Isn't it a more limited BC than on any other console?



Aeolus451 said:
Isn't it a more limited BC than on any other console?


Depends? It is the first console that has to deal with bc for a console which was full of drm and features downloadable and dics-titles and where many before said it was technically impossible to do. Limited in a technical way? Perhaps, right now the compatible games work flawless. Limited in a license way? Already mentioned. Limited currently? Like they announced, only for a few titles and only for preview members. Didn't even launch officially.



Aeolus451 said:
Isn't it a more limited BC than on any other console?


Better than nothing, I guess.  The 360 to Xbox (2001) BC was pretty limited but still had a robust list of games.  Since I didn't have an original Xbox, I was able to go back and buy a lot of games that I wanted but missed.  I own a metric fuckton of 360 games so hopefully, the XB1 list grows pretty rapidly.  Haven't had a chance to try it for myself since Xbox Live was down for me, yesterday.

Of course, the PS2, PS3, Wii/Wii U method would be much preferred (especially since the Playstation BC enhanced the games, graphically!) but considering it's a feature that was supposed to be impossible, I'm happy to have it in any form.  I have two working 360s.  One is in my living room and one is in my game room--with the Wii U, PS3, PS4, and XB1.  I would LOVE to be able to move the 360 to one of my bedrooms just so I could use Netflix, WWE Network, Hulu, etc.



Nem said:
It would have been a megaton the year consoles released. 2 years later, its not as huge anymore.


I don't think it would be. It's a nice feature and I would love to have it on PS4 too, but it doesn't change a lot of things. Let's see some cases:

- Genesis had an add-on that allowed to play SMS games. Almost nobody had it.

- The PS3 and 360 had BC. However, almost everyone had a PS2 while nobody had an OG Xbox. So it should be an advantage for Sony, allowing people to play their PS2 games (we even had a big PS2 title, GOW 2, releasing after the PS3). This didn't saved Sony from getting soundly beaten.

- The Slim PS3 didn't had BC. Its launch with a better price point, even without BC, improved a lot PS3 sales performance.

So I think that what really makes difference for a consoles is price and games. People don't want to buy new consoles to play PS360 games, they want to play new gen games. I've used BC very rarely during the years. I played Gran Turismo 2 once on my PS2 just to see if it worked. On Vita, I used it to play half an hour of Monster Hunter and maybe one hour of GTA for the PSP. In both cases, it was because I got the games for free on PS+, but didn't played a lot yet.

It's a cool feature, of course. But it won't move a lot of units. We can say the same for Sony's conference. Shenmue 3 won't move units. Dreams, maybe. But the real deal for mainstream was UC4, Battlefront and the CoD deal.



torok said:
Nem said:
It would have been a megaton the year consoles released. 2 years later, its not as huge anymore.


I don't think it would be. It's a nice feature and I would love to have it on PS4 too, but it doesn't change a lot of things. Let's see some cases:

- Genesis had an add-on that allowed to play SMS games. Almost nobody had it.

- The PS3 and 360 had BC. However, almost everyone had a PS2 while nobody had an OG Xbox. So it should be an advantage for Sony, allowing people to play their PS2 games (we even had a big PS2 title, GOW 2, releasing after the PS3). This didn't saved Sony from getting soundly beaten.

- The Slim PS3 didn't had BC. Its launch with a better price point, even without BC, improved a lot PS3 sales performance.

So I think that what really makes difference for a consoles is price and games. People don't want to buy new consoles to play PS360 games, they want to play new gen games. I've used BC very rarely during the years. I played Gran Turismo 2 once on my PS2 just to see if it worked. On Vita, I used it to play half an hour of Monster Hunter and maybe one hour of GTA for the PSP. In both cases, it was because I got the games for free on PS+, but didn't played a lot yet.

It's a cool feature, of course. But it won't move a lot of units. We can say the same for Sony's conference. Shenmue 3 won't move units. Dreams, maybe. But the real deal for mainstream was UC4, Battlefront and the CoD deal.

PS3 wasn't soundly beaten, ever.  People just acted like it was because Sony said they would overtake 360 within a year and move on.  Truthfully, the PS3 outsold the 360 almost every year except one since the day it launched, even when it cost $100-$200 more.  Did people not care about BC or did the price point hurt them?  It's not that simple.

*edit*  Also, I'm a PSP/Vita and DS/3DS owner.  I probably bought as many PSP games for Vita as I did Vita games for Vita since launch day!  And I'm still buying DS games for 3DS.  My most played 3DS game (according to the Activity Feed) is Advance Wars Dual Strike!!