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I buy a console to play it's native game not playing old consoles games



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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Mr Puggsly said:
The only thing that really sucks about PS Now is its limited to Sony devices.

As a rental service its impressive.


Its actually on Samsung TVs as of like 2 weeks ago. Most likely going to come to Android, iOS and WIndows eventually. Sony is buddy buddy with PC lately.



Ruler said:
bevochan said:

Even as a PS fan, I was impressed with Xbox1 backward compatibility.  The PS Now is so anti-consumer, and I hate it.  You have to pay premium for a somewhat laggy, pixelated version of last-gen games regardless if you already owned that PS3 game.  I realize the PS3 is a completely different architecture from PS4, so it would be much more difficult for PS4 to have backward compatibility.  But Sony needs to respond to this.  At least give free PS Now on PS4 for games already owned on PS3.  


its only 15 games now

http://compass.xbox.com/assets/c6/4e/c64e1401-e3ed-4e5a-9810-3d0e94e12e7e.pdf?n=xbox-one-backward-compatability-available-games-june-15.pdf

That's for the people in the Xbox Preview Program. Plus these were all added today, there will be more.



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sabvre42 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
PS Now stuff would be cool if the service wasn't so terrible.

Oh hello - its nice to see someone who obviously has never used the service... complaining about the service. Welcome to the bandwagon.


Well, the service is potentially worse as it adds delay to games and is totally dependant on your internet access. Slow internet? Bad gaming. Peering issues from your provider? Bad gaming. No internet? No PSNow. The list can be easily made bigger. You don't have to have used the service to see the downsides.



PS now is Netflix, but for games.....



 

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sabvre42 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:


Great to hear they added a sub model as the prices were a big problem too. My issues were performance based. And they might have added more infrastructure to help with that, too. But my experiences even with 75 up/down Internet wete not good.


Bandwidth != latency. Next time use ethernet.

1. Probably wont be a next time

2. I always use ethernet. I even made a bridge with a 2nd router so I wouldnt have to use WiFi with my Xbone. I have degrees in networking and computers. Trust me, i know to use ethernet.

But thanks for trying again, friend!



LudicrousSpeed said:
sabvre42 said:


Bandwidth != latency. Next time use ethernet.

1. Probably wont be a next time

2. I always use ethernet. I even made a bridge with a 2nd router so I wouldnt have to use WiFi with my Xbone. I have degrees in networking and computers. Trust me, i know to use ethernet.

But thanks for trying again, friend!

I'm confused. A bridge is still WiFi....

It's when you take a wifi adapter and have it talk wirelessly to another WiFi adapter. A bridge normally adds about 30-50ms of lag, as well as causes random packet loss/ lag spikes due to the wireless nature.

Things such as Netflix use a dynamic buffering system and seem lossless. Things such as CoD/Halo MCC multiplayer/ downloads are rendering locally and often use a predictive technology to compensate for lag and packetloss. 

PS Now on the other hand uses a combination of TCP/UDP to stream you the service. They do dynamic resolution scaling based on your current bandwidth and seem to use a form of TCP for the input. If your packet gets lost along the way -- the recieving end will request it again.. .and again... and again until its actually recieved. All packets in a chain must be recieved before the packets are dissasembled. 

WiFi causes packet loss. Using an ethernet cable close to electrical cables causes packet loss. Having a bad connector on your ethernet causes packet loss. Overloading your router with too much data -- causes packet loss. It sounds to me based on your "experience" that your network isn't optimal. 



Have to admit, very cool feature for the Xbox1. Hope Sony does something similar. I'm not subscribing the PS Now when I have over 40 physical PS3 games in my cabinet. Although to be honest even if my PS4 could play PS3 games, I probably wouldn't even use it. I have hardly gone back to my PS3 since I bought my PS4 so... Still a nice feature.



sabvre42 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

1. Probably wont be a next time

2. I always use ethernet. I even made a bridge with a 2nd router so I wouldnt have to use WiFi with my Xbone. I have degrees in networking and computers. Trust me, i know to use ethernet.

But thanks for trying again, friend!

I'm confused. A bridge is still WiFi....

It's when you take a wifi adapter and have it talk wirelessly to another WiFi adapter. A bridge normally adds about 30-50ms of lag, as well as causes random packet loss/ lag spikes due to the wireless nature.

Things such as Netflix use a dynamic buffering system and seem lossless. Things such as CoD/Halo MCC multiplayer/ downloads are rendering locally and often use a predictive technology to compensate for lag and packetloss. 

PS Now on the other hand uses a combination of TCP/UDP to stream you the service. They do dynamic resolution scaling based on your current bandwidth and seem to use a form of TCP for the input. If your packet gets lost along the way -- the recieving end will request it again.. .and again... and again until its actually recieved. All packets in a chain must be recieved before the packets are dissasembled. 

WiFi causes packet loss. Using an ethernet cable close to electrical cables causes packet loss. Having a bad connector on your ethernet causes packet loss. Overloading your router with too much data -- causes packet loss. It sounds to me based on your "experience" that your network isn't optimal. 

Regardless of what your confusion as to what a bridge may or may not be (protip: doesn't have to be WiFi, all that matters is that it's on the same network), my PS4 is wired directly into my main router, so it's irrelevant. Don't have any packet loss issues either, friend. I sincerely hope that helps, sorry that my negative experience with PS Now affects you so. Not going to discuss it any further.



Guitarguy said:
Have to admit, very cool feature for the Xbox1. Hope Sony does something similar. I'm not subscribing the PS Now when I have over 40 physical PS3 games in my cabinet. Although to be honest even if my PS4 could play PS3 games, I probably wouldn't even use it. I have hardly gone back to my PS3 since I bought my PS4 so... Still a nice feature.


I'd use it. I want to go back and play my PS+ PS3 games... but i don't want to turn on my PS3. But its never gonna happen. Closest thing we will get is P1/PS2 BC.