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I don't think there's anything wrong with remastered games.

- Nobody is forced to buy them
- They're there for new comers that missed out last time or new to the system (ie. Xbox owner switched to PS4 will finally get to play TLoU)
- They're there for anybody that is interested in the remastered game and would like to play it again on a different console
- Just because a game is being remastered doesn't mean the companies will stop making other games
- Remasters have always existed so we should be use to it already, There's always a new Tetris! And Nintendo being one of the first I remember with Super Mario All-stars (I dont think anybody ever complained about that, and regardless of the features it had it's still a remaster)

Honestly, there's no legitimate reason for anybody to dislike remastered games. Haters gonna hate.



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fireburn95 said:

Backward compatability would bump the price of a console by 100-150, you'd have to have ps3's cell architecture + x86, so a bigger sized console which consumes more power despite not even using most of it half the time. Because PS4 isnt that significant of a jump to emulate last gen games.

 

New experiences?
Sony published new ip's for ps4
Knack
Doki-Doki
Resogun
Driveclub
CounterSpy
Entwined
Hohokum
Bloodborne
The order 1886
Until Dawn
Hell Divers
The Tomorrow Children
Kill Strain
Guns Up
Alienation
Drawn 2 Death
Everybody's gone to the rapture
Rime
Wattam
What Remains of Edith Finch
WiLD

Whats wrong with having new ip's, existing titles in franchises and remasters? Remasters sell consoles, good for gamers. Remasters give more money to the dev, good for gamers. At the end of the day, we still choose whether we wanna buy a remaster or not. If millions of people are buying remasters, naturally there is a demand for ps3-gen games on ps4. If it gets to the point where the majority of people dont want remasters, they wont buy it. Then comapnies will stop making..


As a consumer, I'm not going to judge something by its practicality from a business standpoint. Its Sony's job to understand these problems and do something to compensate for it and selling over priced and undervalued remakes is not going to win my favor.

Also, thats an interesting list you go there, which I could break apart if I wanted. To keep it short, a lot of those games disappointed, are mediocre, aren't out yet or are only new in name and a lot of others are just too tiny for most people to notice. I love small digital games as much as the next guy, but they aren't going to validate my purchase of a system.

As I previously stated, as with any game, remasters need to validate their existence. A tiny increase in framerate and a bump in resolution just doesn't do that. If you want to remaster a game, give me a signficant improvement (which isn't really possible graphically in a PS3 to PS4 remaster) or I'm going to complain that I am being sold fluff and filler.



fireburn95 said:
KLXVER said:


Im a collector. I like physical copies. How many of those will get a physical release?


Well thats another issue and unrelated. Me personally, i like digital. But it's undeniable there is a healthy list of new gen original ip's. 

 


Knack - Meh
Doki-Doki - What?
Resogun - Heard its great
Driveclub - Meh
CounterSpy - I think Ive heard of it
Entwined - Kinda sounds familiar
Hohokum - Heard of it. No idea what it is
Bloodborne - Now we`re talking
The order 1886 - eh
Until Dawn - X for Meh, O for eh
Hell Divers - What?
The Tomorrow Children - Seen it and still dont know what it is
Kill Strain - Come again?
Guns Up - I dont even...
Alienation - Pretty much...
Drawn 2 Death - Cool look, but looks boring.
Everybody's gone to the rapture - Potential
Rime - meh
Wattam - The fork guy made another game!
What Remains of Edith Finch - Dont know. Dont care
WiLD - Meh



sundin13 said:
fireburn95 said:

Backward compatability would bump the price of a console by 100-150, you'd have to have ps3's cell architecture + x86, so a bigger sized console which consumes more power despite not even using most of it half the time. Because PS4 isnt that significant of a jump to emulate last gen games.

 

New experiences?
Sony published new ip's for ps4
Knack
Doki-Doki
Resogun
Driveclub
CounterSpy
Entwined
Hohokum
Bloodborne
The order 1886
Until Dawn
Hell Divers
The Tomorrow Children
Kill Strain
Guns Up
Alienation
Drawn 2 Death
Everybody's gone to the rapture
Rime
Wattam
What Remains of Edith Finch
WiLD

Whats wrong with having new ip's, existing titles in franchises and remasters? Remasters sell consoles, good for gamers. Remasters give more money to the dev, good for gamers. At the end of the day, we still choose whether we wanna buy a remaster or not. If millions of people are buying remasters, naturally there is a demand for ps3-gen games on ps4. If it gets to the point where the majority of people dont want remasters, they wont buy it. Then comapnies will stop making..


As a consumer, I'm not going to judge something by its practicality from a business standpoint. Its Sony's job to understand these problems and do something to compensate for it and selling over priced and undervalued remakes is not going to win my favor.

Also, thats an interesting list you go there, which I could break apart if I wanted. To keep it short, a lot of those games disappointed, are mediocre, aren't out yet or are only new in name and a lot of others are just too tiny for most people to notice. I love small digital games as much as the next guy, but they aren't going to validate my purchase of a system.

As I previously stated, as with any game, remasters need to validate their existence. A tiny increase in framerate and a bump in resolution just doesn't do that. If you want to remaster a game, give me a signficant improvement (which isn't really possible graphically in a PS3 to PS4 remaster) or I'm going to complain that I am being sold fluff and filler.


Aah so you're one of those "only a real game if it's got gun action" people, very well then thats fine



fireburn95 said:

Aah so you're one of those "only a real game if it's got gun action" people, very well then thats fine


...you do realize you are talking to someone who plays mostly Nintendo games and indie games right? Nowhere did I say or imply that I was "one of those" in my post and the fact that you are jumping to that conclusion for seemingly no reason is laughable.



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Bad because they are cheap grab ins that are sapping resources from new projects.

In cases where a remaster makes sense, i can totally understand (something like Fallout 3 or Skyrim or MAss effect where the loading times are atrocious and/or FPS sketchy). DmC remaster definitly is an improvement over the original wich ran at 30 fps and with hiccups.

God of War 3? Waste of time. Sleeping dogs? Good game but a waste of time. Borderlands? Totally unecessary.



KLXVER said:
fireburn95 said:
KLXVER said:


Im a collector. I like physical copies. How many of those will get a physical release?


Well thats another issue and unrelated. Me personally, i like digital. But it's undeniable there is a healthy list of new gen original ip's. 

 


Knack - Meh
Doki-Doki - What?
Resogun - Heard its great
Driveclub - Meh
CounterSpy - I think Ive heard of it
Entwined - Kinda sounds familiar
Hohokum - Heard of it. No idea what it is
Bloodborne - Now we`re talking
The order 1886 - eh
Until Dawn - X for Meh, O for eh
Hell Divers - What?
The Tomorrow Children - Seen it and still dont know what it is
Kill Strain - Come again?
Guns Up - I dont even...
Alienation - Pretty much...
Drawn 2 Death - Cool look, but looks boring.
Everybody's gone to the rapture - Potential
Rime - meh
Wattam - The fork guy made another game!
What Remains of Edith Finch - Dont know. Dont care
WiLD - Meh


Hell divers got a 9 from IGN. If you're so dismissive of where the industry is headed, just buy the annual releases of cod and sub annual halo/forza/fallout whatever and be happy. You're the kind of guy that wants new games, but dismissive of new games because of their scope. If you want new IP's like bloodborne, these are the devs of tomorrow that could be the ones that make that. Look at Joe danger to no mans sky. Same dev, was successful with joe, and can make a game 1000x's larger in scope. You really have no ground to complain about remasters when you dismiss new ip's like 'meh'

Nevertheless, sony are making new IP's. Not system sellers, but God of War will sell systems and encourage more people to buy some of these 'shitty indie games' which will only be better for us in years 4/5/6



It is good when it introduces a franchise to people that never played or heard about it. Just like how there is people new to Final Fantasy today. So, I think it is a good thing overall.



They are good when they add content and quality. They can be ok when they just add quality. They are bad when they don't add much are incomplete or should include more games in a series.
They are also great when by having the older versions you get the new one for free with cross buy.



fireburn95 said:


Hell divers got a 9 from IGN. If you're so dismissive of where the industry is headed, just buy the annual releases of cod and sub annual halo/forza/fallout whatever and be happy. You're the kind of guy that wants new games, but dismissive of new games because of their scope. If you want new IP's like bloodborne, these are the devs of tomorrow that could be the ones that make that. Look at Joe danger to no mans sky. Same dev, was successful with joe, and can make a game 1000x's larger in scope. You really have no ground to complain about remasters when you dismiss new ip's like 'meh'

Nevertheless, sony are making new IP's. Not system sellers, but God of War will sell systems and encourage more people to buy some of these 'shitty indie games' which will only be better for us in years 4/5/6


Ok. What indie developers from last gen are now making big games like Bloodborne?