You don't need to tell me about the Shield cause I watched that press conference live... And none of what you just said countered anything that I stated... None of that is proof of anything because Nintendo will be using a royalty based method in order to make the NX and Nvidia doesn't because they make everything themselves... So I have no idea what the point of that was

I never said its impossible...? Where did you get that? I just said that its needlessly expensive

Waiting for what? They said they will announce it in 2016... The hardware was finalized a while ago if its ready to be shown next year because the developers need to have games ready by launch and creating new engines and stuff takes longer than a year.. Specially if its around the graphics of the wiiU, whether it be weaker or stronger

Apple doesn't release its designs to other companies for them to use it... Apple products are fast and efficient cause only apple knows the designs... They are based on Arm architecture but the SoC itself is completely custom and high secretive... Nintendo won't have the A8x to use in the first place... And even if it does, how would they manage to put 3 of them in that price point and have all the other things as well like the GPU, Ram and etc? And the A8x was released in 2014... The hardware for the NX should have already been finalized either then or before then

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. 

I get what you're saying. You want a super powerful Nintendo wonderconsole that brings back third party support and to have Nintendo razzle dazzle Western developers. I wouldn't mind that either. 

I just don't think realistically that is in the cards. That Nintendo died with the 1990s, but under Iwata they are not that company any longer. When the likes of Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Peter Main, and Yamauchi himself retired, the company simply was never the same, people just never really noticed it because they kept making Mario/Zelda/etc. games. 

NX will be a gimmick based console, look at how they're already describing it -- a "new hardware concept" that will introduce "new ways to play". C'mon, we've been down this road with the Wii and Wii U before. 

Nintendo also doesn't really give a f*ck what hardcore gamers on the internet think they should do. They are run by an extremely conservative and old group of Japanese board members -- only their opinion matter. If Miyamoto wants to make a console with a dildo controller, that's what's going to happen, not what you or I feel should happen. 

Wouldn't surprise me actually if that was the price Miyamoto and the other creative types at Nintendo paid for NX ... they get to make NX their way, but the concession they had to make to Nintendo's business brass was to allow the company to make Android/iOS games. So they finally (and probably bitterly) caved on that position. 

My advice -- just enjoy the f**king games. To be honest Mario Kart 8 and Xenoblade look pretty freaking amazing running on a low end console. I have a PS4 and X1 and a decent PC rig and it's not like when I turn on my Wii U I go "holy crap! These graphix are sooo outdated". If Nintendo NX home version is even 2x-3x that, their games will still look great. Yes even on a 4K TV ... I play PS4/X1 even Wii U games on my brother's 4K set and they look very nice, even better than on his 1080p set.

Well, I am not saying it will be a console that is as powerful as a ps5/x2 or anything. I am just saying that why all these fusion ideas are horrible because they are and I gave plenty of reasons why. If Nintendo goes with these "hybrids" or "same games on both with similar specs" route. It will be their demise because it won't go after the wii audience nor will it go after the ps4/x1 audience or even the Nintendo console audience. It will just mainly go after the Nintendo handheld audience

And yes, I agree Nintendo doesn't care and thats exactly they are in this position to begin with and thats exactly why if they go with majority of the fusion ideas, they will exit the console market in the generation after. And thats why my Fusion OS with different hardware and different games is the best idea. It will decrease development time and increase games output while catering to both handheld and console market as well as the third party market. It wont give out games as fast as a single "platform" but it will still output games faster than they are currently and third party games will fill in the gaps

And finally. I do enjoy their games and thats why I am so vocal about it because if they go with most of these ideas... It will be their demise and the last thing I want to see is them going out of the console or handheld market. I have a pretty great gaming PC with 970s and I can play most games on max yet I don't think none of the Nintendo games look bad. I have defended Nintendo game's visuals many times but the thing is, having a console with a lot of power will gamers a new experience because of the visual enhancements because otherwize... We will just get the wiiU experience in terms of graphics once again and I don't want that. I want even higher graphics than the wiiU with bigger worlds and more fap worthy Nintendo art style instead of essentially the samething as the wiiU.

But yea, lets agree to disagree

Maybe Nintendo is preparing for life after dedicated hardware. They certainly are making several moves now to broaden the company past just dedicated hardware. 

I think it's a fair question too as to how much longer dedicated hardware has even for the likes of Sony and MS ... I'm sure there will be a Playstation 5. But Playstation 6? I've always felt ... who knows. By then higher speed mobile might be more common in the US (it already is in Europe and Japan), game streaming services that are just now taking their baby steps may very mature into the future of the business. 

NX may simply be Nintendo saying to Miyamoto and co. "look, we'll give you one shot to try and create some type of new Wii or Pokemon style phenoms that reinvigorate the market, if not, we're already taking steps so that the company can survive and prosper no matter what". 

If it's not as powerful as a PS5/XB2 then what the hell is the point of sweating so much over competing with Sony/MS? Such a console will not sell to the Sony/MS audience any more than the Wii U impressed PS3/360 owners, why would they buy a less powerful Nintendo console when they could have a PS5/XB2? 

To compete with Sony/MS realistically Nintendo not only needs an equal (or ideally better) console hardware wise, they need to also completely change their image. They need to market during things like the NBA Finals, NFL games, and TV shows aimed at adults. They need to play down their family IP. They need to spend millions of dollars in new Western studios that can make exclusive games to match Uncharted and God of War and Halo aimed at the older auidence. And they need to be willing to take losses on hardware ... even if they're successful, that will then trigger MS to get desperate and start price cutting, which you then have to match. I don't think people realize "competing head on" with Sony/MS is not as simple as they think it is. 

If you're going to compete with Sony/MS bringing a knife to a gun fight isn't going to do you much good. You need to either bring it all the way or check the f*ck out, cause that competetion is not for the faint of heart. 

Well they can do that all they want but they need to make sure not to axe their markets while doing so... They have two markets that sell a lot of software and the wiiU failed due to many reasons, not just one or two and most of which can be easily fixed. And yes, they are making several moves to broaden their sources of revenue but the NX will come out before those really take off... QoL is mostly at wtf state atm and their first game for phones will be announced this fall and who knows when the next one will be. Plus they have to realize that if those fail, they need a backup strat which is their handheld/console

And I am sure (with maybe the exception of xbox) that dedicated consoles will be around for a few more generations because they make money. And Nintendo has to make sure that when the ps6 comes out, they don't kill their own market. And of course, the internet infrastructure isn't really there for zomfg streaming and wont be there for at least 15 years

The thing with the whole competing against Sony/MS/Ps5/X2 is that Nintendo has one thing that Sony/MS dont and those are their exclusive IPs... Any issues with graphics and performance being lower than the ps5/x2 will be nullified by Nintendo's IPs that sell very well and the console will be priced lower. People are willing to buy a Nintendo console if it has first party and third party support even if the graphics from the third party games are not as great as ps5/x2. And that is proven by the x1 because it hardly has any exclusives and it has lower resolution but it is still selling better than the wiiU. The best case of this without going back into the Snes days is DS vs PsP and 3ds Vs Vita. All those handhelds had both first party and third party games from the respectived developers and Nintendo won everytime. Now will it sell more than the ps5/x2? Probably not but it will sell significantly better than right now without killing off their console market and the install base will be higher than the wiiU/3ds and in the future, more people can buy a Nintendo console and expect third party games. Also, the issues with the wiiU was that it wasn't getting all the content and for a next gen console, it was very close to the ps3/360's specs compared to the ps4/x1 which of course turned a lot of heads because it has the power of a slightly powerful last gen console

And they don't need to bring out their all, they just need to get a foothold in the market... Cause if they can do that, the next time around, more people will come to their system because they will have confidence in Nintendo's third party relations. They don't need to sell 60-80 million consoles, they only need to sell 40 million to have a respectable number with 60+ million handhelds and the only way they will do that is if they get third party games otherwize, they wont.

Edit: Oh and they don't need to pay western developers to make exclusive third party games in the west because a lot of third party games will already be filling in that gap. They need to pay some of the big ones like Rockstar to port their games but porting costs significantly less than exclusivity and they only need to pay the big ones

It means all Nintendo characters will cross-dress, starting with Link.

Unlikely, unless if they make a big ass handheld and don't mind the horrible battery life while running games. The Shield has a 5100mAh or something size battery (keep in mind smart phones are usually around 1900-2200mAh, 3DS and WiiU has smaller batteries than that).  Shield only last 2.5hr during for a graphics bench, sure benches are design to tax components, but it gives us an idea of what graphics intensive games can do to the hardware. Most high end tablets and phones last around that range 2-4hr running graphics benches despite their huge batteries.

Also, SoCs have a lot more compnents than CPU and GPU. Using multiple SoCs would mean having lots of redundent parts (waste space and $$$) and you'd need additional hardware and software to make them work. It maybe better to just make a single SoC and scale it or make two SoCs for 2 hardware.

I still think we are on the verge of a jump in mobile quality. This thing has another 2 years before it might hit the market and if you look at the Vita, which released 3 years ago and was almost as powerful as a PS3, I don't see why a handheld couldn't pull off Wii U level. Chips are getting not only more powerful but cooler and more energy efficient at the same time. Do you know what kind of difference that makes for a handheld? Smaller devices are getting closer to parity with larger devices because of that.

Combining two hardware devices into one won't destroy or isolate a market. All it will do is add portability to one and TV support to another while under one software development environment. It saves money and adds value. Providing hardware that is both impressive and functional is the tough part. If they can't develop that then it will bomb, though it could bomb for other reasons due to image or marketing. Even if its home use counterpart isn't a hit against tough competition, they can just lean on the handheld popularity and have its home ability be the bonus. Regardless I don't know if Nintendo is going to take dedicated home consoles seriously and even if they did try to create a powerful device that separates it from what ever handhelds are capable it could cause huge losses, not just financial but continuing a PR issue that could effect their company in every other aspect. Seems like going full boar with a handheld that you can use as a home console and ditching their home console only device is a decent strategy for them right now. My idea with it being a Wii U is simply to avoid killing off the Wii U early when they release the NX. Maybe releasing in 2017 won't be too early to kill off the Wii U though...I wouldn't be announcing a successor this soon though even if it is just a code name.

It is Iwata's plan with the NX to blur the lines between mobile gaming and console gaming. To condition the fans into accepting mobile gaming into their lives. It is a transitional console, the last home console before Nintendo go full mobile, and full digital.

We can still expose Iwata and stop him before it is too late. Rise again Iwata, voice your disgust at the direction he has taken Nintendo!

I've kinda thought maybe a stackable/expandable console might be interesting.

If the power consumption of the console is low (and it should be if it uses mobile parts) ... who knows, maybe allowing people to eventually daisy chain 2 consoles together might be a feasible idea.

A high speed data port would do it. Then voila a 1 TFLOP console with say 6GB of RAM becomes a 2 TFLOP console with 12GB of RAM. Lets say the base standard NX System-on-Chip gets you about 400 GFLOPs performance ...

So if they have a scalable architecture/chipset, it would really help them.

Portable - 400 GFLOPS (1 NX system-on-chip processor)

Home - 1.2 TFLOPS (3 NX system-on-chip processors)

Home Stacked Console (Two Consoles Link together) - 2.4 TFLOPS (6 NX system-on-chip processors)

If they ever do something like a real VR accessorie this would be help because then one NX console could render the image for each eye, thus giving the overall experience some real horsepower behind it.

And if one NX console only consumes say 15 watts, even two daisy chained together still is a very reasonable 30 watts ... slightly less than the current Wii U. If they use the same system-on-chip they will also get a better price on it and it will scale down in cost more quickly for them.