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So I haven't made a thread in a long while....so it's a Nintendo thread for kicks.

With the tease of a codename of a something that is NX, Nintendo dropped the big one on what may be an earlier console release than what is traditionally expected. Now this could simply be their newest iteration of their handheld segment, however there have been many a rumor that their next device would be a fusion of home and portable, meaning that this could posibly be the successor to their current home console the Wii U as well. Now even with an announcement there is usually a bit of a wait, as in a year or two wait, but this was more of a mention than an announcment so this device might not arrive until 2017 or later. In fact it was not long ago that the Wii U released in 2012 and console cylce periods tend to last at least 5 years, so it would be far more likely its a 3DS successor and that the New 3DS was simply a slight upgrade to last them until the NX hits store shelves.

Let's go ahead and speculate the fusion concept. Start by imagining playing a console at home on your TV and you get the urge to walk down the street to the park. You get up, approach your console, pick it up, open the clamshell design and continue playing with no fuss just like it was a trusted 3DS. Pretty neat right? But how exactly are you going to get modern quality on your big screen (graphically, resolution, controllers, etc.) from what surmounts to a handheld with an HDMI out? Well that's the question isn't it? Home consoles aren't quite the lightweight devices you'd want to punish your wrist dragging for a stroll. So how is Nintendo going to pull it off?

Right now Nintendo isn't knocking it out of the park with their Wii U, a stark difference to what the Wii pulled off last gen. Not only that but the console hasn't even been out for 3 years and the thought of a successor so soon is more than enough to upset a few of their base consumers. What I theorize is the NX won't neccessarily succeed the Wii U and instead continue it. What if the NX is a portable home console that is a Wii U handheld? That would certainly avoid killing off a device early and would be a powerful relaunch.

Taking advantage of shrinking hardware and performance outputs, they design a handheld out of the Wii U leaving all non-handheld essentials up to a receiver box left by the TV.  Non-essentials like controller sensors, HDMI out, hard drive, and the disk tray. This "hub" could also be a charging bay and video display port. The handheld would be akin to what we have with the 3DS only with Wii U performance. Having dual screens, cameras, and gyros keep most of the Wii U's controller functionality and utilizing SD cards you can manage your digital titles from your hard drive at home.  Once home you dock it and pick up your Wiimote/Gamepad/Pro controller and play on your TV. Now this may or may not be a 3DS or backwards compatibile. They could cut costs by eliminating 3D and forgoing compatiblity, but this device in itself would be their next handheld and could still utilize cartridge based games in the same fasion as they are now.

All of this is really technology dependant. Could the Wii U shrink enough in size while reducing its heat output and power consumption to become a handheld? Would they have to choose entirely different chips and seperate it from the Wii U entirely and move forward? Would it be capable of graphically superiority over the Wii U?



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Aren't there enough threads for this to fit in already?



super_etecoon said:
Aren't there enough threads for this to fit in already?


Probably. I'm tired.



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Chark said:
super_etecoon said:
Aren't there enough threads for this to fit in already?


Probably. I'm tired.


Hows about u go on to bed then, rest your head, and come back with somethin' new. There is a lot of NX threads out and much of it is speculation. How about a pre-pre E3 thread!? Only like 50 somethin days away if that.



What a horrible idea cause it presumes that the console will be run by magic and that Nintendo will leave the handheld space!

Firstly, if a console is portable, there is no reason for them to have a handheld which = cutting their most successful division

Secondly, this has to be within a $300 price range and it has to be portable... That means that the hardware itself will be as weak as the wiiU or just a bit stronger but still not even close to being as powerful as a ps4/x1 let alone ps5/x2 because this nonsense idea has a bottleneck which is the battery.. Who on earth would want a next gen console thats not even capable of "current gen"? And the third parties won't even bother so basically, its wiiU 2.0 with the handheld division gone!

Or if its $200, then it will look like trash on the TV and considering the future is 4k... Upscaling sub 720p to 4k or to even 1080p would look like ass and the performance of it will be weaker than the wiiU

Hybrid system is a horrible idea and there are many more reasons as to why this wouldn't work



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

What a horrible idea cause it presumes that the console will be run by magic and that Nintendo will leave the handheld space!

Firstly, if a console is portable, there is no reason for them to have a handheld which = cutting their most successful division

Secondly, this has to be within a $300 price range and it has to be portable... That means that the hardware itself will be as weak as the wiiU or just a bit stronger but still not even close to being as powerful as a ps4/x1 let alone ps5/x2 because this nonsense idea has a bottleneck which is the battery.. Who on earth would want a next gen console thats not even capable of "current gen"? And the third parties won't even bother so basically, its wiiU 2.0 with the handheld division gone!

Or if its $200, then it will look like trash on the TV and considering the future is 4k... Upscaling sub 720p to 4k or to even 1080p would look like ass and the performance of it will be weaker than the wiiU

Hybrid system is a horrible idea and there are many more reasons as to why this wouldn't work

Hybrid system is not the same thing as fusion/brother platforms. 

Doubt Nintendo gives even half a poop about 4K displays btw. The only place you'll be playing Nintendo games on 4K anytime soon is if Apple releases a 4K iPad. 

NX is described by Nintendo as a "new concept game system" one that will introduce "new ways to play". In other words ... expect another type of Wii style console that has some wacky/weird controller gimmicks. The ability to share games with the handheld due to similar architectures will likely be another feature. 

My brother has a 4K TV. Upscaled 1080p content doesn't look bad at all by the way. 



Soundwave said:
Captain_Yuri said:

What a horrible idea cause it presumes that the console will be run by magic and that Nintendo will leave the handheld space!

Firstly, if a console is portable, there is no reason for them to have a handheld which = cutting their most successful division

Secondly, this has to be within a $300 price range and it has to be portable... That means that the hardware itself will be as weak as the wiiU or just a bit stronger but still not even close to being as powerful as a ps4/x1 let alone ps5/x2 because this nonsense idea has a bottleneck which is the battery.. Who on earth would want a next gen console thats not even capable of "current gen"? And the third parties won't even bother so basically, its wiiU 2.0 with the handheld division gone!

Or if its $200, then it will look like trash on the TV and considering the future is 4k... Upscaling sub 720p to 4k or to even 1080p would look like ass and the performance of it will be weaker than the wiiU

Hybrid system is a horrible idea and there are many more reasons as to why this wouldn't work

Hybrid system is not the same thing as fusion/brother platforms. 

Doubt Nintendo gives even half a poop about 4K displays btw. The only place you'll be playing Nintendo games on 4K anytime soon is if Apple releases a 4K iPad. 

NX is described by Nintendo as a "new concept game system" one that will introduce "new ways to play". In other words ... expect another type of Wii style console that has some wacky/weird controller gimmicks. The ability to share games with the handheld due to similar architectures will likely be another feature. 

Its not about 4k... Its about upscaling... Two different things

The reason why the wii succeeded wasn't cause it had a lot of games, it succeeded cause it gave the casuals a new way to entertain themselves... If Nintendo makes a console that only gives u a lot of Nintendo games... Guess what... Its not gonna succeed cause thats not what the wii did.

And I am pretty sure this whole "new concept game system" and "new ways to play" has been said about virtually every Nintendo system before they got announced



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

What a horrible idea cause it presumes that the console will be run by magic and that Nintendo will leave the handheld space!

Firstly, if a console is portable, there is no reason for them to have a handheld which = cutting their most successful division

Secondly, this has to be within a $300 price range and it has to be portable... That means that the hardware itself will be as weak as the wiiU or just a bit stronger but still not even close to being as powerful as a ps4/x1 let alone ps5/x2 because this nonsense idea has a bottleneck which is the battery.. Who on earth would want a next gen console thats not even capable of "current gen"? And the third parties won't even bother so basically, its wiiU 2.0 with the handheld division gone!

Or if its $200, then it will look like trash on the TV and considering the future is 4k... Upscaling sub 720p to 4k or to even 1080p would look like ass and the performance of it will be weaker than the wiiU

Hybrid system is a horrible idea and there are many more reasons as to why this wouldn't work

Well yeah there is a bunch of difficulties with doing this but you are looking at it in a narrow way.

What magic are you talking about? I assume it would run on electricity like every console. On the go it would run on lithium batteries just like a handheld. While docked it would charge the battery and operate in the same fashion laptops do with the cord plugged in. How much battery would a Wii U need after being shrunk down? IDK, but less than what the current model does.

First, leaving the handheld space would intail not having a handheld and this would be a handheld... The fusion concept is essentially not elminating either division's function but combining them. You could easily say they cut their home console division but again that's flawed. What fusion would do would reduce their need to have two seperate hardwares that support two seperate software processess.

Second, yeah price point is a hurdle. I don't know if it would be cheaper trying to fit a Wii U in a handheld device or to go with new hardware. The idea is not to be as powerful as PS4/X1, that's been pretty obvious out of Nintendo with Wii/WiiU/DS/3DS. The possible launch date also doesn't quite align it anywhere near what "PS5" or "Xbox random number". Those consoles won't release till somewhere between 2019-2022. Nintendo could release a new handheld in 2017 and make it a Wii U and still have years before the next gen jump. That's if they care or not and trying out a fusion device could simply be their new handheld if they decide to release a dedicated home console to match that. Fusion would essentially attempt to save the Wii U by making it the sucessor to 3DS. Strange yes, but also crazy. 

This device could also be sold as a handheld and the hub could be the optional home accessory for it. This could help the price issue. If it works fine as a handheld there is no need for a TV hub, though making it optional has its drawbacks. There is no reason to force someone who has a Wii U to buy a handheld Wii U that comes with a Wii U. (lol) They could keep this handheld home console hybrid along side their next big thing and just treat it like their handheld that has TV capability/backwards(horizontal?) compatibility with the gen 8 Wii U. Which is also weird.



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Chark said:

Well yeah there is a bunch of difficulties with doing this but you are looking at it in a narrow way.

What magic are you talking about? I assume it would run on electricity like every console. On the go it would run on lithium batteries just like a handheld. While docked it would charge the battery and operate in the same fashion laptops do with the cord plugged in. How much battery would a Wii U need after being shrunk down? IDK, but less than what the current model does.

First, leaving the handheld space would intail not having a handheld and this would be a handheld... The fusion concept is essentially not elminating either division's function but combining them. You could easily say they cut their home console division but again that's flawed. What fusion would do would reduce their need to have two seperate hardwares that support two seperate software processess.

Second, yeah price point is a hurdle. I don't know if it would be cheaper trying to fit a Wii U in a handheld device or to go with new hardware. The idea is not to be as powerful as PS4/X1, that's been pretty obvious out of Nintendo with Wii/WiiU/DS/3DS. The possible launch date also doesn't quite align it anywhere near what "PS5" or "Xbox random number". Those consoles won't release till somewhere between 2019-2022. Nintendo could release a new handheld in 2017 and make it a Wii U and still have years before the next gen jump. That's if they care or not and trying out a fusion device could simply be their new handheld if they decide to release a dedicated home console to match that. Fusion would essentially attempt to save the Wii U by making it the sucessor to 3DS. Strange yes, but also crazy. 

This device could also be sold as a handheld and the hub could be the optional home accessory for it. This could help the price issue. If it works fine as a handheld there is no need for a TV hub, though making it optional has its drawbacks. There is no reason to force someone who has a Wii U to buy a handheld Wii U that comes with a Wii U. (lol) They could keep this handheld home console hybrid along side their next big thing and just treat it like their handheld that has TV capability/backwards(horizontal?) compatibility with the gen 8 Wii U. Which is also weird.

The battery bottleneck comes in when its trying to play games on the go... You can't have a console-like experience on the go without killing the battery unless the console is super weak and even if its the wiiU with a smaller die size, the battery will still be a huge factor

Firstly, How would that be flawed...? Just because its a handheld that can be docked to a TV doesn't mean its a console or just because its a console that's portable doesn't mean its a handheld (depending on the size). No one will see it as both.. It will be seen as either or... Yes, they won't distroy one of their divisions but they will distroy a source of revenue and a market because instead of having two sources of revenue (console and handheld), they will have one

What Fusion will be is that it will be a huge flawed concept if its what you are saying... It can't have the power of the console cause its trying to be portable so it will be weak compared to even the ps4/x1 so there is no real reason for people to buy it apart from Nintendo fans. Then you will have that overlap of people that buy both the console and the handheld to experience gone because they will just be buying one "system" instead of two...

Secondly, if they make it as weak as the wiiU... Then you will have the same issues as the wiiU from the console PoV... There will be bad press cause third parties are going to skip it entirely and gamers that aren't Nintendo fans wont really care about it. And since its going to be an expensive handheld because of its power, the handheld people would shy away from it because it will cost too much, specially with the whole docking nonsense... Its been proven that if it goes over $200, it won't sell very well so as a result, what will happen is that the sales of it will be less than wiiU+3ds combined because you don't have that overlap and the handheld will be too expensive

If it has an optional home accessory in order for it to be a console, that means they essentially killed their console market and they will be never coming back to making consoles ever again because no one would take it seriously which is not a good thing for a gaming only company. It will be seen as a handheld... Not a console at all.

I have no idea what you said in ur last two sentences so I will skip that loll



                  

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What if Nintendo made the NX like... with a cool controler and... no... no... 3d, yes, 3d is cool and...
No... not that either...
Maybe they could do a tablet thing and...
Oh, that would not work...
VR! Yes, VR and... Oh...
Nintendo is crazy if they think they can impress people nowdays. Gaming reached it´s peak in terms of inovation.
Now it is is just raw power snobbery and idiotic Steve Jobish "integration"



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.