Captain_Yuri said:
Soundwave said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Well, you are saying it but you aren't providing any proof as to how they can do it... If the lastest and greatest $200 micro console made by Nvidia that requires no royalties sells for $200... How on earth do you expect a royalty based method to match similar performance even if its Amd/Arm...? Yes, they will be cheaper than Nvidia but they won't be so cheap that they can provide a wiiU like power so efficiently for that low of a price... And the NX is set to launch either late 2016 or early 2017 and be shown sometime in 2016 which means that the hardware designs have been finalized a long time ago
How do you expect a 5 watt SoC to deliver the same performance as the wiiU while being cheaper than $200?
You do realize that putting eDRAM or eSRAM increases the cost of the console significantly right? Fast memory like that will crease the cost of the console by a lot hence why the ps4 can do it easily with being similarly priced as the X1... Edram/Esram is a bad idea... And even with their own games, it won't be enough to hit 1080p and not to mention, trying to optomize games to hit 1080p which = increased development time from games which = money that they won't be making back beause according to your concept, they will be giving 2 for the price of 1... And as I have said why the console will flop due to bad press and etc
Yes, the Apple A8x process drivers displays at that resolution but that doesn't mean anything. My family computer's integrated intel video card is capable of displaying at 4k but as soon as you play games, it will shit its pants... Most games on mobile upscale like crazy but since the screens are so tiny, its not very noticable at all where as if you upscale on a big screen like a TV, it is very noticable... And having more eDRAM doesn't actually make it out perform anything and eDRAM can also be a bottleneck for many things as experienced by the x1... They need GDDR5 ram which should be freakishly cheap at this point since GPU ram is going to HBM and if they can do that, it will run at 1080p perfectly fine but again, both ways, its not going to happen at that price point
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This is the $199.99 Nvidia Shield mini-console running native games. IMO these graphics match maybe even exceed what the Wii U does today using a mobile chip for $199.99 (3GB of RAM):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE0Q06q4V6A
eDRAM adds to cost, but little known fact ... even the little ol' New 3DS has 10MB of eDRAM (the original 3DS has 6MB of eDRAM, New 3DS bumps it up to 10MB). So it's not impossible to have eDRAM in a portable. Nintendo's already been doing it for years.
Though that may be why they are waiting a little longer until 2017 perhaps. Maybe they are waiting for something like the 14nm manufacturing process to mature or for stackable RAM or something. Just a theory though.
My point remains though three A8xs in a box + some eDRAM would outperform a Wii U today. I don't have much doubt about that either. And in two years time Nintendo should be able to quite easily get a mobile SOC better than the A8x.
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You don't need to tell me about the Shield cause I watched that press conference live... And none of what you just said countered anything that I stated... None of that is proof of anything because Nintendo will be using a royalty based method in order to make the NX and Nvidia doesn't because they make everything themselves... So I have no idea what the point of that was
I never said its impossible...? Where did you get that? I just said that its needlessly expensive
Waiting for what? They said they will announce it in 2016... The hardware was finalized a while ago if its ready to be shown next year because the developers need to have games ready by launch and creating new engines and stuff takes longer than a year.. Specially if its around the graphics of the wiiU, whether it be weaker or stronger
Apple doesn't release its designs to other companies for them to use it... Apple products are fast and efficient cause only apple knows the designs... They are based on Arm architecture but the SoC itself is completely custom and high secretive... Nintendo won't have the A8x to use in the first place... And even if it does, how would they manage to put 3 of them in that price point and have all the other things as well like the GPU, Ram and etc? And the A8x was released in 2014... The hardware for the NX should have already been finalized either then or before then
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I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.
I get what you're saying. You want a super powerful Nintendo wonderconsole that brings back third party support and to have Nintendo razzle dazzle Western developers. I wouldn't mind that either.
I just don't think realistically that is in the cards. That Nintendo died with the 1990s, but under Iwata they are not that company any longer. When the likes of Howard Lincoln, Minoru Arakawa, Peter Main, and Yamauchi himself retired, the company simply was never the same, people just never really noticed it because they kept making Mario/Zelda/etc. games.
NX will be a gimmick based console, look at how they're already describing it -- a "new hardware concept" that will introduce "new ways to play". C'mon, we've been down this road with the Wii and Wii U before.
Nintendo also doesn't really give a f*ck what hardcore gamers on the internet think they should do. They are run by an extremely conservative and old group of Japanese board members -- only their opinion matter. If Miyamoto wants to make a console with a dildo controller, that's what's going to happen, not what you or I feel should happen.
Wouldn't surprise me actually if that was the price Miyamoto and the other creative types at Nintendo paid for NX ... they get to make NX their way, but the concession they had to make to Nintendo's business brass was to allow the company to make Android/iOS games. So they finally (and probably bitterly) caved on that position.
My advice -- just enjoy the f**king games. To be honest Mario Kart 8 and Xenoblade look pretty freaking amazing running on a low end console. I have a PS4 and X1 and a decent PC rig and it's not like when I turn on my Wii U I go "holy crap! These graphix are sooo outdated". If Nintendo NX home version is even 2x-3x that, their games will still look great. Yes even on a 4K TV ... I play PS4/X1 even Wii U games on my brother's 4K set and they look very nice, even better than on his 1080p set.
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