On Dec 3rd MS said in a meeting that they are hitting 10m shipments so you expect sales above Shipments? XB1 might have reached 10m by now but not on Dec 20. I estimate MS shipments to between 11-12m by now with sales close to or just above 10m. 

Wasn't that in November? Anyways I'm just saying that they'd probably have to adjust when NPD and Microsoft's financial reports release, so it would make sense to wait until then to adjust the numbers, but oh well. I guess we'll see if the adjustments were needed soon.

Of course I am downplaying it, just as I would do if the same kind of sources were used to judge PS4 sales. Desperation and downplaying are two very different things you know and as I said, it could be both higher or lower than that. I was quite surprised at MS´s jul-sep shipments for X1, since they seemed alot hgher than I woud have guessed. This could be a case of them stuffing the channels but I would NEVER base my judgement on notes that doesn´t say much or one of the most unreliable forums around :).

Jun-Sep shipment was high to Xbone? I wish to know the numbers and not maybe max 7.5m shipped.

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but weren't X1 and 360 shipments combined for that timeframe?

MS usually over stuffs the channel every year so this is normal for them. Heck,  last year they finally sold their Christmas stock around April.

To be expected. Shipped ≠ Sold so PS4 is nowhere near the 18.5 mil Sony claim. Xbox One is nowhere near 10 million.

The PR statement from Sony directly says that the 18.5 million is an estimate of sold to consumer.  It's not shipped.  

let's not forget that the CEO of Sony soldierly announced 18.5M sold to customers on stage during their ces press conference.

i agree with kowen on this with waiting i believe they will be off with the xb1 when the data come out and the methods used for getting numbers it hasnt worked since the start of the gen

but you have to look at this from the owners perspective we just got ps4 numbers of 18.5M you cant have your main page show 18.2 with 2 weeks left

you could argue then only do ps4 numbers but then you'll have the gap wrong between the two and thats where this sites gets hits from, sales fans looking at the data between these two consoles