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Will they?

Yes, no doubt about it. 214 35.73%
 
Yes, but only if Sony goes bankrupt. 40 6.68%
 
Yes, but only if they mak... 7 1.17%
 
I don't know. 53 8.85%
 
I doubt it; but there's ... 128 21.37%
 
I doubt it; Nintendo's glory is long gone. 101 16.86%
 
I don't wanna answer. 8 1.34%
 
I want to see the results. 48 8.01%
 
Total:599

If they get serious, and release a powerful next-gen console with a standard controller, then it's possible they can reach the top again. That will get third-parties on board.

Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, The Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto, Madden, FIFA, Sonic the Hedgehog, Tekken, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Minecraft, Tomb Raider, etc.

All on one console. It's a recipe for success.



"On my business card I am a corporate president. In my mind I am a game developer. But in my heart I am a gamer." - Satoru Iwata

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Probably not. I think most Nintendo gamers are young and rely on their parents to buy them consoles and games. A lot of the older Nintendo/Sega generation have moved on to more adult oriented consoles. Now they may be buying Nintendo for their children or to relive their childhood memories, but they will most likely have another console as a main. Plus we have big ass expensive TVs now that we don't want people throwing controllers into.

Also, they have missed out on an achievement system and people are already invested on other ecosystems. 







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'Nobody' expected the Wii to be such a big success and beat the HD twins like it did, so there's always a chance. Nintendo won't stop their business ever, at least not the foreseeable future, so a lot could happen. They'll have another win some day. Besides, 3/6 isn't a bad score anyway .



They could if they believe in advertisement and making powerful hardware.



"I think it will be the HDS"-Me in regards to Nintendo's next handheld.

I doubt it.

The way Nintendo conducts its business is an anathema to the big third parties. Sony and Microsoft have allowed, if not encouraged, unethical business practices such as moneyhatting, microtransactions, day one DLC, 7gb patches etc.

3rd parties will never properly support Nintendo as long as Sony and Microsoft (especially the latter) allow them to run roughshod over the consumer and pay out the arse for the privelege.

This gen they've been able to dress this ideological issue as being low power, low sales etc. But at the end of the day, until Nintendo moneyhats devs and enables them to release substandard crap, they won't receive substantial third party support. Regardless of how powerful their box is.



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Wright... 0.o

Wasnt expecting you to be this thread's creator.

Theres no way of knowing. We dont have a window into the future. Nintendo is unpredictable, wich is why Pachter hates them.



They'd have to perfect everything and hope that the competition blunders somehow.

That's exactly what happened in the 7th gen, The Wii had EVERYTHING going for it; price, popularity, image, games, innovation, etc., whilst Sony had their PS3 blunders; extremely high price tag, bad image, lack of innovation, lack of games, extremely hard to develop for, etc., and the 360 had its fair share as well; the RRoD, lack of 1st party studios, Paid Online, etc.

And it's also what's happening right now in the 8th gen: PS4 has EVERYTHING going for it; 3rd party support, best graphics, great price tag, games, indie support, etc., and the Xbox One has tons of blunders, but it's recovering even faster than the PS360 did, and the WiiU has its blunders that unfortunately aren't as recoverable as the competition's blunders; They can't get rid of the gamepad, they can't make the console more powerful, they can't lower the price tag or they'll suffer losses, etc.

It's important to note though that despite everything that assisted/hurt all the sides in the 7th gen, Nintendo only won by a small margin (15m more than the competition, could shrink to 10m or less), so you'd have to wonder if they'd ever have such perfect circumstances again, and if they'd sell as well as they did.

Here's what they should do to have the best chance:

1.They should redesign the WiiU gamepad in a way that makes it more attractive to those who don't like it and so that the WiiU gets cheaper, and so they got more profits to ready for the next gen.

2.They should better their relationships with 3rd parties: It's been 18 years since the N64 blunder than destroyed the relationships between Nintendo and 3rd parties, some people see this as a curse that'll haunt Nintendo for eternity, others, like me, see that Nintendo CAN indeed repair these broken relationships, and it's vital that they do. They could start by taking their requests into consideration whilst building their next console, like implementing an achievement system and a more robust online experience, not to mention the x86_64 architecture.

3.They should cut the useless gimmicks that only add to the console's price and end up taking valuable construction costs that could've otherwise been used for much more important things. Look, I love the WiiU Gamepad, it's comfy, it's convenient, it has potential. but that's the problem right there: it has potential. What did Nintendo do so far to prove the Gamepad's worth? Maps that could be placed on the big and much clearer TV screen? 2 player modes that could play perfectly fine using split screen on the TV? Video chat that nobody uses which is better off being an optional accessory like the Kinect/PSCamera? Motion sensors that make for awkward games that aren't worth price?

The WiiU Gamepad is amazing, but it should've been an optional accessory. Imagine what it would've been like if the WiiU launched at 350$ with all the extra money they used up on the Gamepad and its R&D and other useless accessories from the Premium set instead used for powering up the console? Their 3rd party situation wouldn't have solved itself, but it would've been a heck of a lot better, because 3rd parties would literally have nothing to lose when they port their games, because porting between 3 x86_64 consoles would be dirt cheap and their ports would actually make profits even if they had low sales. In fact, each port would probably better their 3rd party game, and after a while, They'd have been in a much better position.

4.Nintendo let all the money they got in the Wii/DS era just slip away. Sure they have around 10B$ in assets right now, but they had like, what? 80B$ in the Wii/DS era? Why'd they just waste all that money? They could've used it to handle losses like Sony and MS do, they could've used it to hire better R&D devs, they could've used it to open more 1st party studios! They let all the money they made slip away for crying out loud!

What they should do is harness their profits. They're not poised to make extremely big bucks this gen (Amiibo could go either way, but it wouldn't be enough IMO), so why not just use the money that they get during this gen to build up for a fantastic Gen 9 through better R&D, more first party studios, and expanding their teams that are incompetent at making HD games.

5.Fresh blood is neccessary. I know that Nintendo's already doing that, but they need to do it on a much bigger scale, and it has to be more drastic.

And I don't mean that they should just hire more young devs, they need younger people in their board of directors, which brings me to my next point:

6.They need an overhaul in management and philosophies. No, I don't mean that they should fire Iwata from being CEO, No, I don't mean that they should fire Reggie or Miyamoto or Sakamoto or whatever. I mean that they need to overhaul the management: They need to bring in more Sestern minds. Contrary to popular belief, Western people aren't the plague when it comes to Nintendo. The gaming industry has grown a lot, it's not the same as when Nintendo saved it back in 1985, It's not Japan-centric anymore. It's a global market worth Billions of dollars, and It's Western-centric now. Like I said, I don't suggest that they should fire Iwata and place a random Western guy as the President of Nintendo who could destroy everything that they've ever worked for, no, I mean that, for example, they should place a competent Western video game expert (heck, even Reggie would do!) as the CEO of Nintendo of America, a position that has been far underused and underprivileged ever since it was introduced. Likewise, Nintendo of America should get more privileges, such as playing a major role in the development of their platforms, which would greatly help the consoles' attractiveness to the Western market, and would greatly assist in the repairment of their 3rd party relationships.

7.Modernize. Make the Nintendo Network more robust. Fix the WiiU's issues in a way that'll make the next console start out and launch perfectly.

That's what I have to say on the matter. I know, I should be Nintendo's President :P



Nem said:
Wright... 0.o

Wasnt expecting you to be this thread's creator


Why not? I'm curious about sales as well. :P

 

This has nothing to do on consoles preferences or anything of the sort. It's a doubt that I'd like some feedback on, which was made based on empirical analysis of the data we have in hand. Playstation 3 was deemed as the worst, (EDIT: at the beginning) yet it managed to outsell 360 at the very end of the lifespawn, and it has progressively outsold Wii per-week, although I pretty much doubt it'll ever surpass it and Nintendo has locked seventh gen as the winner.

 

The question is about Nintendo ever pulling a Wii-situation again. Coming out on top. Market is unpredictable, but the media is obstinated, at times, in highlighting Nintendo's flaws in its inner structure, which always create bad press and eventually, minor sales. Even if WiiU had been as powerful as the Ps4, they would have found something to complain. Don't you agree with me, here?



I doubt it. Their time is gone.



wii u problems;

(no particular order);

1. Poor controller with no analogue triggers
2. very weak performance
3. lack of third party games
4. legacy of following a very disappointing console
5. well over-priced for spec
6. childish image
7. non-child friendly controller
8. Expensive games (for performance)
9. Far superior consoles are only marginally more expensive.
10. Similar performance consoles with far superior software support are cheaper
11. Limited functionality with regards media centre use
12. poor audio support so not compatible with a wide range of home cinema equipment. No optical out, dolby 5.1 etc.
13. Poor online infrastructure
14. Purchased content tied to console not user.
15. Has the stench of failure about it.
16. Many people don't actually realise its a different console to the wii such has been Nintendo's useless marketing.
17. Undesirable product.
18. Nintendo charges high prices for software even back-catalogue retro games.
19. It doesn't really fit into the marketplace well.
20. Nintendo killed the wii to push wii u when the wii still had consumer demand and probably would have continued to sell well at a lower price

The good;

1. Nintendo games
2. Plays wii games too.
3. Reliable
4. Robust
5. Uses very little power.

Nintendo are still making good money from handhelds but I don't think they are willing to invest in a proper home game console nowadays. So I feel Nintendo will create a handheld console that also has an easy TV connection.

I so hope to be wrong though and hear that Nintendo are working on something to beat the ps4 in performance that will hit the market in the next two years. Realistically they have to do this if they want to stay in the home console business.