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Mystro-Sama said:
SvennoJ said:
Vikki said:
SvennoJ said:
 

There were many good fantasy movies in the 80's, Not counting animation: Indiana Jones series, The princess bride, Willow, Legend, Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Labyrinth, The dark crystal, The neverending story, Ladyhawke, Conan, Flesh+Blood. 

It did get better in the 2000's, LotR stands out, Big fish, The fall, Pan's labyrinth, but what do we have currently? Pure fantasy movies are very rare nowadays. I guess 10 years of Harry Potter has sucked the imagination out of the fantasy movie industry. It's all superhero movies now.

Sci-fi is doing better atm. Many more sci-fi movies to enjoy than fantasy.

I wouldn't really call Indiana Jones fantasy, but I could be wrong. I wasn't really a fan of any of thse other 80s movies tbh. I think Sci-Fi had a much better run.

Sci-fi has always been better imo, I just think pure fantasy is worse off nowdays. Sci-Fi is not as strong either, but is doing much better than fantasy.

And yes the 80's had a better sci-fi run with Star wars, Aliens, Brazil, Wrath of khan, Voyage home, Terminator, Back to the future, Dune, Tron, The Abyss, Lathe of heaven. And the 90's only got better.


Yea, fantasy has been weak in TV/movies nowadays. The only thing doing it justice now is Supernatural which is pretty nice.

I'd chalk much of that up to the industries terrible habit of taking  a series, by name only, and then reinventing the entire plot to avoid paying additional royalties.  Take the series The Seeker, based on the Sword of Truth series of books by Terry Goodkind.  I loved the series, but they completely rewrote the storyline and basically took a dump on the original IP.  The books were pretty sensational (then again, not something I'd consider appropriate for regular TV, more like HBO GoT levels of violence/bloodshed).  But it definitely ruined the TV show for anyone who'd read the books.

I think that's more tolerable for folks, with concepts pike the xmen/super heroes.  Not sure why, possibly because the comics had one plot, cartoons yet another etc. . .  Even LOTR and The Hobbit have taken artistic liberties with the original plot (disappointing for me, certainly) but I'm aware that my tastes and issues don't reflect those of your avg movie/game player.

Edit: Sorry about the quote trees on a tablet at the moment.



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mornelithe said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Yea, fantasy has been weak in TV/movies nowadays. The only thing doing it justice now is Supernatural which is pretty nice.

I'd chalk much of that up to the industries terrible habit of taking  a series, by name only, and then reinventing the entire plot to avoid paying additional royalties.  Take the series The Seeker, based on the Sword of Truth series of books by Terry Goodkind.  I loved the series, but they completely rewrote the storyline and basically took a dump on the original IP.  The books were pretty sensational (then again, not something I'd consider appropriate for regular TV, more like HBO GoT levels of violence/bloodshed).  But it definitely ruined the TV show for anyone who'd read the books.

I think that's more tolerable for folks, with concepts pike the xmen/super heroes.  Not sure why, possibly because the comics had one plot, cartoons yet another etc. . .  Even LOTR and The Hobbit have taken artistic liberties with the original plot (disappointing for me, certainly) but I'm aware that my tastes and issues don't reflect those of your avg movie/game player.

Edit: Sorry about the quote trees on a tablet at the moment.

I watched a few episodes on the Seeker and thought it was garbage compared to the books. Anyway yes those sadistic torture scenes wouldn't work on mainstream TV.

I would love to see the Wheel of time turned into an epic movie saga. Or for a bit less ambitious project Memory, Sorrow and Thorn from Tad Williams. At least give us some Discworld movies.

Sci-Fi movies don't compare to sci-fi stories either, this year I've read among others 2312, Bowl of heaven, The long earth/war, The quantum thief, Hull Zero three. Blows any movie out of the water. It's a shame that Interstellar is about as intelligent sci-fi as you can get in big budget movies nowadays. It looks and sounds great anyway.

Btw how does Game of thrones compare to the books? I've read all the books so far but I'm getting a bit over the story. The first books were great but it's been going downhill. I always hear people going on about the red wedding, which certainly was a great scene in the books, yet not the best by far.



Genre's are just groupings, as set comparisons, they overlap way to much and are too broad to be useful imo.
I'm also just a Sci Fi guy.



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SvennoJ said:
mornelithe said:

I'd chalk much of that up to the industries terrible habit of taking  a series, by name only, and then reinventing the entire plot to avoid paying additional royalties.  Take the series The Seeker, based on the Sword of Truth series of books by Terry Goodkind.  I loved the series, but they completely rewrote the storyline and basically took a dump on the original IP.  The books were pretty sensational (then again, not something I'd consider appropriate for regular TV, more like HBO GoT levels of violence/bloodshed).  But it definitely ruined the TV show for anyone who'd read the books.

I think that's more tolerable for folks, with concepts pike the xmen/super heroes.  Not sure why, possibly because the comics had one plot, cartoons yet another etc. . .  Even LOTR and The Hobbit have taken artistic liberties with the original plot (disappointing for me, certainly) but I'm aware that my tastes and issues don't reflect those of your avg movie/game player.

Edit: Sorry about the quote trees on a tablet at the moment.

I watched a few episodes on the Seeker and thought it was garbage compared to the books. Anyway yes those sadistic torture scenes wouldn't work on mainstream TV.

I would love to see the Wheel of time turned into an epic movie saga. Or for a bit less ambitious project Memory, Sorrow and Thorn from Tad Williams. At least give us some Discworld movies.

Sci-Fi movies don't compare to sci-fi stories either, this year I've read among others 2312, Bowl of heaven, The long earth/war, The quantum thief, Hull Zero three. Blows any movie out of the water. It's a shame that Interstellar is about as intelligent sci-fi as you can get in big budget movies nowadays. It looks and sounds great anyway.

Btw how does Game of thrones compare to the books? I've read all the books so far but I'm getting a bit over the story. The first books were great but it's been going downhill. I always hear people going on about the red wedding, which certainly was a great scene in the books, yet not the best by far.

Yeah, the Seeker TV series was hot garbage compared to the books.  Would love to see a WoT series but the sheer volume of characters involved would be extremely difficult to work with.  Just isn't very feasible to have a thousand actors, a quarter of which are mainstays.

II actually haven't read the GoT series yet, only watched the show due to sheer boredom while I was out of state awhile ago.  Plan on reading it though, since books > movies/TV shows 100% of the time.



Definitely Sci-fi.

However after playing Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age Inquisition, these games are showing far more innovation than the recent Advance warfare, Destiny and Titanfall.



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I don't understand this thread, sci-fi is fantasy unless you think that sci-fi movies/games are an accurate depiction of what the future will look like.

And there are a lot of games that combine magic with science (Metroid Prime 3: planet Bryyo, Mogenar).

Is a Mario game considered fantasy to you? Or are you strictly speaking of your typical rpg like Final Fantasy here? 



Samus Aran said:

I don't understand this thread, sci-fi is fantasy unless you think that sci-fi movies/games are an accurate depiction of what the future will look like.

And there are a lot of games that combine magic with science (Metroid Prime 3: planet Bryyo, Mogenar).

Is a Mario game considered fantasy to you? Or are you strictly speaking of your typical rpg like Final Fantasy here? 

It doesn't matter whether sci-fi is accurate, it's still fiction, doesn't make it fantasy.

Fantasy: A genre of imaginative fiction involving magic and adventure, especially in a setting other than the real world.

Science Fiction: Fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.

Sure there is overlap, Star wars being a good example. There is plenty sci-fi that tries to depict what the future could look like.

Mario is not imaginative fiction involving magic and adventure. You got to have some sort of story first.


It kinda comes down to, do you like plausible explanations for what happens in your stories, or do you prefer to go with it's magic no explanation needed. It's literally fiction based on science vs fiction based on magic. Plus sci-fi generally plays out in the future while fantasy focusses more on the past.



2 of my all time favorite game series, Might & Magic (until Ubisoft took over) and Wizardry (6 trough 8) blended both together into very epic games. I really wish there would be more games like these



I like both. But if I wrote my own story, it would almost certainly be sci-fi.



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Movies: Fantasy > Sci-Fi
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