Your point 2 should say something else. Because if the Wii U can be saved by smart aggressive advertising But NIN is not capable of that and they OWN the Wii U and all its advertising then say "save" the Wii U is still true lol.

Everything else is kind of a hit and miss at the same time for me.

I approve this post...

P.S. You forgot to mention they are not a kiddie company. Even though you vaguely covered that with Bayonetta and Devils 3rd... it deserves it's own bulletpoint...

1) Agree. A lot of games rely on it and it can't be removed without breaking (or having to patch) them. Despite that, a Wii U without a tablet is just a very underpowered PS4 or slightly overpowered 360.

2) Disagree. It did severe mistakes. It lacks power, it lacks 3rd parties, it has a gimmick controller. Nintendo screwed it up this time, all companies will do it sometime (X1, PS3, Vita). It's being beaten by PS4 and X1 even without any big games on them and a lot of games that are cross gen (you don't need to upgrade your console to play Destiny or WD). When the big games hit and the 3rd parties move to next-gen only, these two will soar high. Things will get only worse for the Wi U.

3) Agree. They would Dreamcast themselves. It would be more expensive than PS4 and X1 without a big jump in power and 3rd parties would hate it. When it arrived, PS4 and X1 would have received price cuts and massive libraries and would be in their peak. Then, after being beaten for 1 or 2 years, the new Nintendo console would face a PS5 or X(something) that would massively overpower him and it would be as dead as the DC. The DC is cult now, but it didn't sold enough in this time to keep Sega alive. As you said, it would be a stupid idea.

Despite that, Nintendo isn't a Sega-type company that likes to jump early, they prefer too wait and make their move when they are pretty sure of it.

4) Partially agree. They aren't bad moves. They are games and games build library and help a console. But they aren't system sellers. I don't consider a game a system seller unless it moves hundreds of thousands or millions of consoles. That isn't the case here.

5) Agree (with yout point). It would be stupid right now. They sell a lot of software and hardware. They had a bad home console gen but they can recover. Going 3rd party will only happen if they screw it up like Sega several gens in a row and break their own financials to the point that dealing with launching a new hardware is impossible. Unless they screw 2 more gens in a row, it won't happen.

Disagree with every just about everything.

1. Everyone who has played it loves it. Everyone who hasn't hates it. That's the issue, people who don't own the console don't want it. It's bad PR especially with the hardcore crowd. I want my comfortable classic controller.

2. Advertising is a good idea, but if they don't drop the stupid name no amount of ad dollars will change people's perception. Change the name to something entirely new and re-launch the console at 200 dollars. That MIGHT save the Wii U. Might.

3. Everyone knows they are working on a new console. Might as well rush it out the gate to drum up excitement and steal away the show from the XB1.

4. Bayonetta will sell horribly and they will NOT recover money from the investment cycle.

5. People want Nintendo games, not Nintendo hardware. They could sell so much and stay profitable if they published on mobile devices and the PS4/XB1.

There's too much risk associated with developing your own hardware.

Also the Wii U is not selling at a profit. There's no evidence of that. The statement by Iwata had something to do with clearing out old stock.

3. Yeah, because putting their next console in the same situation as the Wii U (and to a lesser extent, the Wii) is a great idea. Why release a stopgap console that is only mildly more powerful than the PS4/XBO, just to be trampled over once Sony/MS release whatever they have next? Terrible idea...

4. Lets wait until sales figures will come out. I think it will do modestly, and I think Nintendo will be generally happy with its performance. I think Bayo 2 has potential from a lot of perspectives, and I think they all need to be considered when talking about whether it does what Nintendo hoped it would do. However, we really just need to wait for sales at this point.

5. Nintendo games are largely made possible by Nintendo hardware. A lot of Nintendo's innovations come with their hardware that gives them new ideas to push with the software. Whether or not you like it or not, I don't think we would have seen this upcoming Kirby or Mario Maker or a console without the Gamepad. Stage creator in Smash Bros wouldn't be anywhere near as good, and NFC would need a separate portal. Metroid Prime 3 wouldn't have used IR controls (which are hands down better than dual analog for FPS in many people's opinions). The galaxy would have never had the ball/flying sections which were a ton of fun...etc. The creativity in Nintendo games is often facilitated by the creativity in Nintendo software.

PS: Nintendo confirmed that Wii U was no longer selling at a loss ("Wii U no longer selling at a loss"). I'm not sure how you can misinterpret that. 

The only thing I disagree with is saying the Bayonettas and Devil's Turd are system sellers. Regardless, they are important games for the Wii U's lineup. Every game doesn't have to be a "system seller" that will get millions of consumers who are on the fence or not considering a console at all to buy in. A console manufacturer has to ensure their customers who purchased its system is being fed a steady diet of a variety of games to feel justified in their purchase. If not, the manufacturer runs the risk of losing consumers in the next console generation.

The Bayonettas and DT ( games like The Wonderful 101) aren't about selling systems, they're about satiating the people who bought the Wii U and making sure they continue to receive valuable software. If Nintendo didn't make investments like this, I would be far less satisfied with my Wii U and consider going with a different console manufacturer this generation or the next, because I would feel like Nintendo's not trying hard enough for me. This is the argument you hear in every single Vita thread.

I agree with everything except the nothing can save it part. The Wii U is crucial to nintendo's future they need to start advertizing the hell out of it to push it because it needs to cater to a demographic that isn't strictly nintendo which is why #4 makes sense. Wii U needs to continue to be pushed so that it can create momentum for nintendo's next launch. Nintendo also needs to work with more japanese developers so that they not only have a good launch for their next console but they also streamline the amount of games they have coming to it.
The garage is a great 1st step towards that.

"No. Advertising can sell Americans a rock covered in dogsh*t as a tasty snack."

Dat dig at Americans

1. Drop the tablet
Until now I haven't seen any game that justify it.

2. Nothing is capable of saving the Wii U (marketing is mentioned)
Cammie Dunaway is not anymore with Nintendo. Brilliant at selling the Wii. Now nobody is capable of selling the Wii U.

3. Nintendo should announce a new console
Nintendo is not going to announce a new console or a new handheld. They are gonna announce Nintendo Fusion. One piece of hardware, one library. No droughts, great games, more games.

4. Bayonetta 2/Devil's Third are bad moves/not system sellers
We are stealing their games. It's worth.

5. Nintendo should go third party
People want Nintendo software, not Nintendo hardware. If they publish all their games on devices like mobiles and PS4/X1 will see a lot of third parties going bankrupt and first party games flopping against Nintendo masterpieces. The perfect vendetta.

But why? :(