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Ganoncrotch on 20 October 2014
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

I like plot holes. Give me all ya got, VGC!


Were you going to add anything to the thread or just the single line in the OP tho? Also you should really add that there is clearly going to be spoilers in the thread... I know it's sort of obvious but still you haven't created an OP talking about a specific game you just made a broad request for all plots of games.



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OttoniBastos on 20 October 2014
TheSpindler said:
OttoniBastos said:
Heavy Rain: the thread


Yup.  Though I've seen people try to explain some stuff, which seems they're pulling out alot of stuff not in the game to plug those holes.

But hey, I've got some questions about it.

What hard evidence do the police really have on Ethan carter to justify openeng fire on an unarmed man at a warehouse?  From the looks of it, all they had was hearsay from his wife, who was distressed over losing her son and they weren't together anymore.  I mean I'd honestly like to know what sort of hard evidence do they really have on the guy?  He had no motive really, and I doubt they could really take anything said from his wife as gospel given the fact that she may still blame him for the loss of their first son.  And even before that, that relationship didn't even seem that great.

Also, can the police issue a warrant for your arrest, and then have the media say you ARE the killer(not that you COULD be or may be in connection with) on national TV without said concrete evidence and being charged?  

If police see a vehicle speeding towards a road block and have not identified who is inside the car or got in touch with their superiors, do they really have the authority to open fire on said vehicle, on a crowded highway?

If your child is killed...why would you withold crucial pieces of evidence from the police? Old man in store did this.  And even if he did give it to the police....do they really give back evidence in an open case?  How come people are being obstinate asses and tight lipped, but conveniently something happens at that time, and I help you out and suddenly you spill the beans?  How come that happened twice.  Did Shelby set it up?  How did he know these people would react that way?

Why would he wake up to origami models?  The killer was following him around?  He subconsciously made them?  Drowning bodies??

Why don't the main characters use an umbrella?  Surely pneumonia exists in Heavy rain's world.  It may be a metaphor for something...but it seems pretty silly silly and makes the characters come off a bit inhuman imo.  Doesn't help that the dialogue, acting and animation adds to that opinion.

Old fixer guy in store murder.  Still doesn't make sense.

[SPOILER]

Yeah the game was suposed to have 3 dlc explaining some stuff.In the end it only had one.

Plus they cut some content like the dreams ethan had during the blackouts which would explain why he woke up with origamis in his hand.



green_sky on 20 October 2014
cheshirescat said:
The Metal Gear Solid series, just, all of it.

This. This. 

Heavy is mentioned quite a few times here. Yea, yea, yea i agree but i kind of cut it some slack as it is the only David Cage game i liked. 



TheSpindler on 20 October 2014
OttoniBastos said:
TheSpindler said:
OttoniBastos said:
Heavy Rain: the thread


Yup.  Though I've seen people try to explain some stuff, which seems they're pulling out alot of stuff not in the game to plug those holes.

But hey, I've got some questions about it.

What hard evidence do the police really have on Ethan carter to justify openeng fire on an unarmed man at a warehouse?  From the looks of it, all they had was hearsay from his wife, who was distressed over losing her son and they weren't together anymore.  I mean I'd honestly like to know what sort of hard evidence do they really have on the guy?  He had no motive really, and I doubt they could really take anything said from his wife as gospel given the fact that she may still blame him for the loss of their first son.  And even before that, that relationship didn't even seem that great.

Also, can the police issue a warrant for your arrest, and then have the media say you ARE the killer(not that you COULD be or may be in connection with) on national TV without said concrete evidence and being charged?  

If police see a vehicle speeding towards a road block and have not identified who is inside the car or got in touch with their superiors, do they really have the authority to open fire on said vehicle, on a crowded highway?

If your child is killed...why would you withold crucial pieces of evidence from the police? Old man in store did this.  And even if he did give it to the police....do they really give back evidence in an open case?  How come people are being obstinate asses and tight lipped, but conveniently something happens at that time, and I help you out and suddenly you spill the beans?  How come that happened twice.  Did Shelby set it up?  How did he know these people would react that way?

Why would he wake up to origami models?  The killer was following him around?  He subconsciously made them?  Drowning bodies??

Why don't the main characters use an umbrella?  Surely pneumonia exists in Heavy rain's world.  It may be a metaphor for something...but it seems pretty silly silly and makes the characters come off a bit inhuman imo.  Doesn't help that the dialogue, acting and animation adds to that opinion.

Old fixer guy in store murder.  Still doesn't make sense.

[SPOILER]

Yeah the game was suposed to have 3 dlc explaining some stuff.In the end it only had one.

Plus they cut some content like the dreams ethan had during the blackouts which would explain why he woke up with origamis in his hand.

Well I see rumors of a PS4 version being done, so hopefully they'll include that stuff.

Also, yeah if you see a thread called "Plot holes in Games", it's sort of implied that there would be spoilers in it right?



OttoniBastos on 20 October 2014
TheSpindler said:
OttoniBastos said:
TheSpindler said:
OttoniBastos said:
Heavy Rain: the thread


Yup.  Though I've seen people try to explain some stuff, which seems they're pulling out alot of stuff not in the game to plug those holes.

But hey, I've got some questions about it.

What hard evidence do the police really have on Ethan carter to justify openeng fire on an unarmed man at a warehouse?  From the looks of it, all they had was hearsay from his wife, who was distressed over losing her son and they weren't together anymore.  I mean I'd honestly like to know what sort of hard evidence do they really have on the guy?  He had no motive really, and I doubt they could really take anything said from his wife as gospel given the fact that she may still blame him for the loss of their first son.  And even before that, that relationship didn't even seem that great.

Also, can the police issue a warrant for your arrest, and then have the media say you ARE the killer(not that you COULD be or may be in connection with) on national TV without said concrete evidence and being charged?  

If police see a vehicle speeding towards a road block and have not identified who is inside the car or got in touch with their superiors, do they really have the authority to open fire on said vehicle, on a crowded highway?

If your child is killed...why would you withold crucial pieces of evidence from the police? Old man in store did this.  And even if he did give it to the police....do they really give back evidence in an open case?  How come people are being obstinate asses and tight lipped, but conveniently something happens at that time, and I help you out and suddenly you spill the beans?  How come that happened twice.  Did Shelby set it up?  How did he know these people would react that way?

Why would he wake up to origami models?  The killer was following him around?  He subconsciously made them?  Drowning bodies??

Why don't the main characters use an umbrella?  Surely pneumonia exists in Heavy rain's world.  It may be a metaphor for something...but it seems pretty silly silly and makes the characters come off a bit inhuman imo.  Doesn't help that the dialogue, acting and animation adds to that opinion.

Old fixer guy in store murder.  Still doesn't make sense.

[SPOILER]

Yeah the game was suposed to have 3 dlc explaining some stuff.In the end it only had one.

Plus they cut some content like the dreams ethan had during the blackouts which would explain why he woke up with origamis in his hand.

Well I see rumors of a PS4 version being done, so hopefully they'll include that stuff.

Also, yeah if you see a thread called "Plot holes in Games", it's sort of implied that there would be spoilers in it right?


There is always that guy that don't want to read any spoiler and yet is in the thread...



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The Fury on 20 October 2014
Hiku said:

As for other games:
Final Fantasy 7. Sephiroth and Jenova.
There's a lot to write about this, but basically if you analyze the story, it seems like it was Jenova controlling everything, and not Sephiroth. I think somewhere along the development they decided to make Sephiroth the main villain instead, but didn't rewrite the story entierly, which left a lot of plot holes that just don't make sense if it's Sephiroth doing these things.

I wouldn't say that was a plot hole, I thought that was the plot. Sephiroth was just the personal touch and while he lived so did Jenova.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury on 20 October 2014
Zekkyou said:

He does sometimes over do it, and ends up with episodes that are more annoying that clever, but for the most part he's a great writer. I think his work with Sherlock is often better, but i enjoy having him run DW as well.

Oh okay, I watch Doctor Who but never really got confused really. I googled 'Moffat Loop' and this image came back.

https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/10/87/d110876cef7a65923e766e4384ba7710.jpg

It's much like the LoZ Ocarina of Time, Song of Storm paradox.



Hmm, pie.

adriane23 on 20 October 2014

L.A. Noire - From the Arson desk, all the way to the ending.

Housing Cartel logic - Detective Phelps is getting too close to our Housing Redevelopment Fund scheme, where we basically build cheap houses for GIs, burn them down, and keep the money from the government. Let's discredit him by exposing his infidelity, and assign him to the arson desk, where he'll have to eventually investigate the cheap houses we're burning down.

Common Sense - Shouldn't you just bump him down to traffic duty, petty theft, or some desk job?

Housing Cartel logic - Nah fuck that.



I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

Neodegenerate on 20 October 2014

The most recent one for me, which is flimsy but irksome regardless, is from Watchdogs. You spend the entire game running to and from the ATM to withdraw cash that you hacked out of bank accounts. The game shows you pocket money. Then a story point has someone demanding cash and the response is along the lines of "I don't carry cash". Plot hole? Meh. Remarkably annoying regardless? Indeed.



Zekkyou on 20 October 2014
The Fury said:
Zekkyou said:

He does sometimes over do it, and ends up with episodes that are more annoying that clever, but for the most part he's a great writer. I think his work with Sherlock is often better, but i enjoy having him run DW as well.

Oh okay, I watch Doctor Who but never really got confused really. I googled 'Moffat Loop' and this image came back.

https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/10/87/d110876cef7a65923e766e4384ba7710.jpg

It's much like the LoZ Ocarina of Time, Song of Storm paradox.

When i talk about confusing stuff (and him going too far), i'm referring to episodes like 'The Time of the Doctor'. Moffat tried to tie up a load of loose ends, along with the episode's own story and Matt's departure, into 60 minutes. It ended up being a complete mess. It also left a lot of us very confused about how can any of the stuff in 'The Name of the Doctor'  have happened if he didn't die in the battle of Trenzalore. And if none of that happen, how can TOTD happen? 

There are loads of viable 'wibbly wobbly' explanations for the above, but the episode was already so full that they didn't give any kind of explanation, or even brief reference.

That all said, i did enjoy TOTD. Terrible pacing aside, it was very entertaining.