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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Gnac said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Publisher not Developer.

Plus they made TES so they can do no wrong. Also screw Zenimax.

Damn, so they're even LESS qualified to comment.

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I can tell alot of you didnt read my post at all.

For one i stated i wish they invest in more mid tier western devs, which i believe they are slowly.

Secondly, i am not stating that the games would sell. In fact this supports what iwata is blatantly saying. They dont sell because nintendo does not pay to push them forward. They dont pay them exclusive advertisizing or for bundles. Rarely will they do that unless they have a long history like capcom. And even then it is very limited.

As a gamer it sucks and everyone is to blame. But although i disagree, going down that path would do nothing for Nintendo in the long run. Its just true.

 

What can Nintendo do now? Who knows? But it surely does not involve investing in 3rd parties like sony and ms.



mii-gamer said:

I'am not arguing the fact that in the past that Nintendo has shitted on their partners. I've admitted that in my first comment

I am addressing your statement that Iwata was making an "excuse" in that last paragraph. I suggest you read my reply again

I don't understand what you're saying.  You can't disregard the past.  Iwata didn't get appointed yesterday and these are not new-found ideals.  Saying that Nintendo doesn't "follow or imitate", that such a philosophy "speaks to his heart", those are just excuses.  They chose a path which did not work out as planned.  They wanted gaming to revolve around Nintendo but the industry had other ideas.  He's just trying to paint their failures as virtues.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Aielyn said:
bananaking21 said:
Because they dont sell

Not exactly surprising, when they leave out features and then sell it at the same price as the other versions.

Can you name a big budget 3rd party title that released on a Nintendo system, was released at the same time as other systems with all of the same features, was advertised equally with the other versions, and still struggled (semi-relative to install base)?

Rayman Legends


The Wii U version came in only behind the PS3 version, a system with an 80 million user installbase compared to Wii U's what at the time? Three-to-Five million? And even with that, the PS3 version only edged out the WU version by about 80k units, so big whoop. How well do you think the Wii U version would have done if it actually released in March of last year like it was supposed to, when there was no competition for it, and before pissing off the Wii U userbase?

I'm not even trying to claim third party efforts on Wii U would sell just as well as on other systems if they were given true parity. I just think you need to find a better example.



Gnac said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Gnac said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Publisher not Developer.

Plus they made TES so they can do no wrong. Also screw Zenimax.

Damn, so they're even LESS qualified to comment.

publishers-and-developers

I've got you on the ropes now!

"You shouldn't have ever bought a Wii U expecting to play great Bethesda games on there because that's not something we'd ever supported in the past."

 

Just cause Bethesda said it, doesn't mean their isn't some truth in their. OP is suggesting that the only reason Wii U doesn't get 3rd party support is because Nintendo refuses to pay them. And in reality, the situation is a lot more complex then that. 



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pokoko said:
mii-gamer said:

I'am not arguing the fact that in the past that Nintendo has shitted on their partners. I've admitted that in my first comment

I am addressing your statement that Iwata was making an "excuse" in that last paragraph. I suggest you read my reply again

I don't understand what you're saying.  You can't disregard the past.  Iwata didn't get appointed yesterday and these are not new-found ideals.  Saying that Nintendo doesn't "follow or imitate", that such a philosophy "speaks to his heart", those are just excuses.  They chose a path which did not work out as planned.  They wanted gaming to revolve around Nintendo but the industry had other ideas.  He's just trying to paint their failures as virtues.

they say crap like that because its better than saying we cant see the other two on their own terms. They couldnt with N64, not with GC  they had to do something totally different with Wii and they cant with WIi U. Maybe cant is a strong word, maybe they are unwilling or scared.



pokoko said:
mii-gamer said:

I'am not arguing the fact that in the past that Nintendo has shitted on their partners. I've admitted that in my first comment

I am addressing your statement that Iwata was making an "excuse" in that last paragraph. I suggest you read my reply again

I don't understand what you're saying.  You can't disregard the past.  Iwata didn't get appointed yesterday and these are not new-found ideals.  Saying that Nintendo doesn't "follow or imitate", that such a philosophy "speaks to his heart", those are just excuses.  They chose a path which did not work out as planned.  They wanted gaming to revolve around Nintendo but the industry had other ideas.  He's just trying to paint their failures as virtues.


What? He is not saying that at all. He is literally stating something yamauchi told him. He isnt saying the other manufacturers are wrong for doing that. He even states he understands why they would....

 

The only thing that can be construed as an excuse is when states how the entertainment industry is unpredictable.



pokoko said:
mii-gamer said:

I'am not arguing the fact that in the past that Nintendo has shitted on their partners. I've admitted that in my first comment

I am addressing your statement that Iwata was making an "excuse" in that last paragraph. I suggest you read my reply again

I don't understand what you're saying.  You can't disregard the past.  Iwata didn't get appointed yesterday and these are not new-found ideals.  Saying that Nintendo doesn't "follow or imitate", that such a philosophy "speaks to his heart", those are just excuses.  They chose a path which did not work out as planned.  They wanted gaming to revolve around Nintendo but the industry had other ideas.  He's just trying to paint their failures as virtues.

 

All he is saying the last paragraph that they are going for a different strategy to build their relationship. Of course thay have made god awful mistakes in the past, thats why they are moving forward with this new approach. It's not an excuse when this approach has produced fruits already.

@Bod Accusing Nintendo (Iwata) of following the principles of their former head as "excuses" is simpy reaching for something that's not there



burninmylight said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Aielyn said:
bananaking21 said:
Because they dont sell

Not exactly surprising, when they leave out features and then sell it at the same price as the other versions.

Can you name a big budget 3rd party title that released on a Nintendo system, was released at the same time as other systems with all of the same features, was advertised equally with the other versions, and still struggled (semi-relative to install base)?

Rayman Legends


The Wii U version came in only behind the PS3 version, a system with an 80 million user installbase compared to Wii U's what at the time? Three-to-Five million? And even with that, the PS3 version only edged out the WU version by about 80k units, so big whoop. How well do you think the Wii U version would have done if it actually released in March of last year like it was supposed to, when there was no competition for it, and before pissing off the Wii U userbase?

I'm not even trying to claim third party efforts on Wii U would sell just as well as on other systems if they were given true parity. I just think you need to find a better example.

I was comparing it with the PS4



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

 

Just cause Bethesda said it, doesn't mean their isn't some truth in their. OP is suggesting that the only reason Wii U doesn't get 3rd party support is because Nintendo refuses to pay them. And in reality, the situation is a lot more complex then that. 

Exactly; no amount of moneyhatting or hand-holding will eke support from those who never had any plans to do so.

It appears that the only bone of contention here is Iwata's "diplomatic" wording, because there doesn't seem to be anything else here to debate.



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