The game being on next-gen has nothing to do with it. Activision, Bungie and the journalists have hyped the game to insurmountable levels and a lot of people got excited for it. The game looks good, but we all expected a lot more from it. In my opinion, the game was very hyped and we all had high expectations for it. Maybe too high.
HyrulianScrolls said:
I don't know. I'm not a game developer. I can sure tell you I would have had no idea something like GTA 3 was possible though back when the 6th gen consoles first came out. And I wouldn't have known something like Bioshock or Oblivion were possible when 7th gen debuted. |
So... You don't know, yet you say it's possible. That alone makes your argument fall into pieces.
GTAV was hyped to what I would call "insurmountable" levels. And guess what? It still got praised as one of the best games of all time. I don't buy that people's expectations for it were just impossible to meet. There's been games with even bigger hype before that have not only lived up to it, but even surpassed the hype (again GTAV). If it were a truly great game people and critics would be more than happy with it. The fact is though it's merely very average and is not all that was promised.
QuintonMcLeod said:
So... You don't know, yet you say it's possible. That alone makes your argument fall into pieces. |
If it's not possible for the new gen to deliver gaming experienes (not just graphics) that weren't possible before, then we're all just complete idiots to ever upgrade to them. We should stick to the 7th gen in that case and not go any further.
Sounds like gamers were sold a fairly hollow shell. Expect some great DLC though, lol.
4 ≈ One
| HyrulianScrolls said:
If it's not possible for the new gen to deliver gaming experienes (not just graphics) that weren't possible before, then we're all just complete idiots to ever upgrade to them. We should stick to the 7th gen in that case and not go any further. |
It takes more than graphics to make a game innovative. That's really all the Xbone and PS4 are. So, this is why crossgen has nothing to do with anything.
HyrulianScrolls said:
I don't know. I'm not a game developer. I can sure tell you I would have had no idea something like GTA 3 was possible though back when the 6th gen consoles first came out. And I wouldn't have known something like Bioshock or Oblivion were possible when 7th gen debuted. |
You shouldn't make a claim that something is a cause, without knowing WHY it's the cause. You have effectively proved yourself wrong here.
And you are wrong. The truth is, there is pretty much nothing that the current systems can do that the PS360 could not. They just do it better and prettier. You're falling for PR if you think Arkham Knight couldn't be on PS360. There are no secret "Batmobile physics". Those systems could play it as long as you reduced the resolution, detail and/or framerate.
The new titles have been various degrees of letdown because they are based entirely on a cool new "theme" one that isn't necessarily backed up by cool new gameplay. There is a real lack of inspiration going on from all developers right now.
A new concept I really like is Evolve. It would have been even better if it was on Wii U, with 4 player spit screen and the monster on the pad, but that would actually make the Gamepad useful and would make too much sense. Sunset Overdrive and Splatoon also look like innovative shooters...but both could have been done on old hardware of course.
The only upgrade being graphics isn't necessarily a bad thing. The SNES was a fantastic upgrade over NES.
LOL 4 pages of a guy making a claim and not backing it up in any way shape or form gotta love the internet.
| HyrulianScrolls said: So with Destiny's very mixed reception being the latest in a line of big games turning out disappointing this year I realized most of said games have something in common. Destiny, Watch Dogs, and Titanfall were all developed to be both last gen and next gen games. Is it a coincidence that all three also happened to be some of the most disappointing games compared to their hype and what was promised? Maybe, but I think it reveals what could be the real problem here: Developers are too worried about abandoning the massive install bases of 360/PS3, because of a fear that these huge budget games may not sell well enough if only released on the much smaller install bases of PS4/X1. The problem there though is that I think this is stopping these developers from truly focusing on a "next gen" experience for these games, and this is the main reason I believe they're all under-delivering. I mean look at how Rock Steady has said some of the new mechanics they're doing for Arkham Knight wouldn't have even been possible last gen (or even on the Wii U). Who knows what ideas studios like Bungie and Ubisoft may have decided against for games like Destiny and Watch Dogs because they wouldn't have worked in last gen constraints. Aside from the graphical differences, these games haven't been much different than their last gen counterparts, essentially meaning they all could have just been last gen titles. Now I know it could be risky developing a huge budget game for a much smaller install base, but at the same time that's what's gonna have to happen for the base to grow. The funny thing is that the 360/PS3 versions of these games haven't even been selling all that well, which indicats that even the public is ready to move on from last gen. I think Destiny's mediocre reception is the final sign that developers need to officially pull the plug to last gen life support, and finally start focusing on the true "next gen" experience. |
I see where you're coming from. Maybe we would have actually gotten to use the ship around planets and in space in real time but the the fact of the matter is Activision pumped way too much cash in marketing for it to be instantly profitable on just next gen.
I can't really agree with this and arguments using Arkham Knight, Quantum Break and The Witcher 3 are premature because they could easily be overhyped as well. Nobody thought Destiny was going to sit on a 74 on metacritic and disappoint a lot of people two weeks back but here we are now. There is no sure fact that The Witcher, Quantum Break and Arkham Knight are going to deliver either. I think they just made a disappointing game because of bad ideas and execution, not limitations.
GRAW released on 360 as well as ps2 and the original xbox and although the then last gen versions of the game were poor, the 360 version was superb and they really took advantage of the new hardware. In comparison to GRAW it almosts feels like Destiny was a game already well into development before they knew the ps4 and xbox one were coming and they simply took advantage of the next gen hype and ported what they were working on from last gen to take advantage.
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