Less of all = bad.
What do you think? | |||
| Yes. The Market needs to Shrink | 27 | 32.93% | |
| No, The Market needs to Grow | 39 | 47.56% | |
| results | 16 | 19.51% | |
| Total: | 82 | ||
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Smaller market size means that focus consumers increases, and a larger market size doesn't necessarily mean more money. 1 million sales for a 60$ game is just as good as 60million sales for a 1$ game. One of my favorite quotes was on another forum: "While From Software was popping Champagne about Dark Soul's selling 2 million, Square Enix was crying about Tomb Raider selling 10 million" |
But smaller market size means less potential customers....if a Dark Souls game can sell 2million with a 160mil install base, how much can it sell with a 60mil install base at the same point in a generation? Install bases aren't everything, but if the market was smaller than it was, would Dark Souls have still sold as well as it did?
I agree that developers need to find ways to cut costs (Dark Souls would have been the same example I would have used of someone doing it right), but smaller market size doesn't really have much to do with that. Its all about development philosophies and business goals...
A shrinking market is fine. A lot of the 100M+ Wii buyers moved onto phone/tablet games. That is not a major problem. Those buyers were not buying a lot of AAA games anyway.
Last gen: (260M)
WII: 100M
PS3: 80M
360: 80M
This Gen estimate (220M)
WiiU: 50M
PS4: 100M
XB1 70M
That is a loss of 40M sales, buy all 3 console makers would still be fine in this scenario.
Bigger budgets aimed at smaller audiences. It can cause problems, but only if publishers and developers mis-manage products. We dont need games with 4/5 Year dev cycles and we dont need to omit platforms that are key to growth.
The resurgence of the PC gaming market along with the rise of the mobile gaming and F2P markets need to be used to full effect, otherwise we will be seeing big cuts and big closures, more-so then we saw last generation.
A shrinking market can be devastating, depending on where it shrinks. That said, when one area shrinks another tends to grow... Which is what we are seeing now with the fall of dedicated handheld gaming devices and the rise of the phone and tablet gaming scene.
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| sundin13 said:
I agree that developers need to find ways to cut costs (Dark Souls would have been the same example I would have used of someone doing it right), but smaller market size doesn't really have much to do with that. Its all about development philosophies and business goals... |
2 million if those users are still part of that smaller audience.
It is bad, very bad for the traditional console market. It will mean a smaller interest from companies to even release on console, and focus more on smartphones/tablets instead.
Last generation saw probably the biggest release ever of games, from big budget AAA games to smaller, indie-developed ones. With the larger market we get more diversity and games that matches different types of gamers.
It's definitely going to be retracting, but definitely should still be above the PS2 generation.
sundin13 said:
I agree that developers need to find ways to cut costs (Dark Souls would have been the same example I would have used of someone doing it right), but smaller market size doesn't really have much to do with that. Its all about development philosophies and business goals... |
On the same note it might not change at all. If the entire market size is 40 million and Dark's Souls niche market is 4 million gamers, it might barely increase even if the entire marketsize is 100 million. Niche markets are extremely dedicated. Even if you go from 2 million on 80 million, to 1 million of 40 million thats the same ratio, but its a loss of 1 million from a loss of 40 million.
Larger games that need more money are harmed more from shrinking market sizes, but I feel like thats a self-perpetuating problem.
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| Dr.Henry_Killinger said: Last Gen was the biggest in terms of console sales, 260 million from the previous 190 million of the prior generation. And yet many people claim that their favorite generations were the earlier 3,4, or 5th generations. Sure, many more people became gamers and gaming as a hobby became a lot more mainstream and acceptable. Furthermore, Gaming garnered a greater focus and budgets skyrocketed, but is this really such a good thing? With a growing market and more money being pumped into the industry, we have more risk on developers, and instead of these larger budgets giving us more innovation, diversity is actually decreasing. Games are being designed to appeal to as many people as possible rather than making as good an experience for those who actually like the genre, and gaming is stagnating as a whole. Perhaps a downsizing and a refocus is actually what we need. |
I answered "Yes" to the poll. More for the reason that I think that the console systems total sales will shrink.
Last gen we saw a huge amount of people buy a Wii and then make very little investment into the platform. They didn't purchase that many games. We also saw those same people either buy a PS3 or a 360(or both). So, the number of actual users were far fewer than the 260 million would suggest. The real question is whether the market realyl grew at all. I think last gen grew only marginally if anything. Most users who may have bought a Wii or a PS360 and were only casual gamers seemed to replace those systems with tablets or smartphones. They realized that for what they really need a game system for, they don't really care enough to get a console again. Because last gen was 8 years long, we shouldn't be seeing the continued slowdown of the sales of the PS4 and XB1 this year. They should have been steadily increasing if the "real" demand was there.
So, I agree that a downsizing is inevitable. As far as the refocus? Probably not for a year or two, as development timelines take so long before these companies will buy into the shrinking market.
It is near the end of the end....