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tbh the most money I EVER spent on a gaming PC was 2008 and was 660€. The PC can still play modern games better than PS3 or X360.

And it was just 660 because i wasted alot of money on useless stuff like PSU with cable management (80€) NZXT case with window+blue lights everywhere. Scythe Mugen CPU fan (even tho the bundled cpu cooler would be sufficient. Accelero S1 GPU cooler with 2 additional Scythe Sliptream 800 fans (also all 3 things completely unededed)
2 case fans and a very big harddrive.
a AMP! edition GPU (overclocked = more expensive)
Oh yeah and Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR2 1066 (which was twice as expensive as average joe's 633 or 800mhz RAM)

Without all that optional super silent stuff or with the superfast RAM the whole thing would have been below 500€



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@OP:
Even cheaper if a PC gamer, like me, doesn't necessarily want its PC to beat new gen consoles at launch time: for now I upgraded my old PC just with new HDDs, that I needed anyway, not just for gaming, and a silent and cheap passively cooled R7 250 GPU, next year or later, I'll do a semi-major upgrade that even staying under 300 euros should be enough to beat a PS4: new mobo, at least 16GB DDR4 RAM (or maybe DDR5, if like PS4, PC mobos and chipsets too will start supporting it also as main RAM), and a mid range APU (mid range for next year or later, that is), that working in Crossfire with my current R7 should give enough GPU performances besides CPU ones.



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Conina said:
amak11 said:

The problem with that, the Wii is unsupported. Unless they (Nintendo) do a limited run of the game (which they wont), the price of Xenoblade will never go down. The supply is just not there, so the demand will increase the price dramatically. 

They likely aren't allowed to produce more units, and likely wont with the sequal coming 

Why is that likely? Who would have an interest to forbid them to supply the demand? Monolith Soft? They would get their cut of the additional sales!

And it has not even to be a retail version. Why not offer the game in the eShop, downloadable to Wii and Wii U consoles?

Instead of highlighting one point of the statement by bolding it (that's rude imo) just remove the rest of the comment. 

Monolith Soft would have final say in whether they could reprint it. Nintendo only distributed and published it. The set agreement would have been for X retail copies. This would require a new agreement. 

They won't bring it to Wii U eShop any time soon for one reason, it diverts resources from the sequal that is coming. 



jigokutamago said:
Tamron said:
jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.


since you want to throw a spanner in the works i will to your statement too. 

 

or you could buy a ps3 with a much better library and cheaper games,  with free online,  for $200.

Or you can buy a cheaper PC and strictly play older games. Since the PC was up to date in the examples, I was under the impression we were talking strictly up to date PC and consoles. The fact is that cost is usually inversly proportional to age up to a certain point.

the difference between wiiu and ps3 is significantly smaller than the jump from gaming pc to wiiu. 



amak11 said:
Conina said:

Why is that likely? Who would have an interest to forbid them to supply the demand? Monolith Soft? They would get their cut of the additional sales!

And it has not even to be a retail version. Why not offer the game in the eShop, downloadable to Wii and Wii U consoles?

Monolith Soft would have final say in whether they could reprint it. Nintendo only distributed and published it. The set agreement would have been for X retail copies. This would require a new agreement. 

They won't bring it to Wii U eShop any time soon for one reason, it diverts resources from the sequal that is coming. 

And what prevents Monolith Soft and Nintendo to make a new agreement about a reprint? These renegotiations happen every day in the software industry, don't act like it's something unthinkable. In this special case, it would even be a win-win-situation.

Why is offering a retail title additionally as download title (which is even more profitable) "diverting resources"? It would even be good advertisement for the sequel.



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VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?

This value proposition you keep bringing up. The world doesnt work that way. Its just like when people were saying "hey for $600 you don't just get a PS3 you get the worlds cheapest blu-ray player and free online multiplayer and this or that"

People DO NOT CARE. The primary thing that the avrage consumer cares about it the sticker price. The cost of entry. Not some proverbial you save this or that much over this or that much number of years. Its like electric cars. You buy an electric for $30k today you get tax incentives of as much as $7500 on that purchase. Then you also save as much as $1k every year on gas (or lack of it so to speak). Yet you don't see them flying off the lot, cause they are still "too expensive" for the average consumer. Yes, you save more in the long run with PC gaming, but people just don't care about that. Especially when you consider that "people" here are basically the kinda people that will buy no more than 4-6 games per year and most of those games will be CoD, Madden and/or FIFA. 

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, if you want equalivent, I say right now, you can get a PC for $800 that will give u either exact performance as the ps4 at minimum or more in certain cases. You can also get a PC thats for $600 right now that is also the exact performance as a ps4 but its too much in the borderline imo, if you pay $800, its a guarantee. But if you want to buy one in winter 2015. it will cost you $600 at most to get a PC that has the same performance as a ps4. Now, I say at most because getting a PC in winter 2015 is a really great time to get on and the reason is that DDR4 should be coming out in 2015 and what that will do is make all the DDR3 memory dirt cheap. And on top of that, a proper intel refresh as well as nvidia/amd gpu refresh should get the costs down in their last generation cards by a lot! So, if you do decide to wait (which I recommend) and get a in winter 2015. You will be saving a lotttt of money while having the same if not better performance than a ps4 in third party games

I think what most people forget or ignore, is that in winter 2015, a PS4 could very well cost $300 and not $400 anymore. The alternative to all this would be to say if trying to build a PC then just buy used parts. But thats a completely different can of worms. Cause we are still talking about a brand new console here.

So the overarching argument remains, is it worth it to the average non tech savvy plug and play consumer, to eat that higher cost of entry for a PC or to just go and pick up an ever price dropping console. Cause I know that no matter how much its spun, there is a minimum amount of money that you must spend if building a PC. Right now, at $400 its not possible to build a PC that will match or outperform a PS4, but this can be excused since PCs do infinately more than consoles so it will be justifiable to give PCs a $400 "value markup" so lets say a comparable PC gamers budget to PS4 is $800. I arrived at this cause with $800, a consumer can pick up a very decent 13" laptop for $400 and a PS4 for $400. So if you want an all in one device then you should be wiling to spend at $800. This becomes harder to swallow as the cost of a PS4 drops, even if you also drop the "value markup" in accordance.



Tamron said:
jigokutamago said:
Tamron said:
jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.


since you want to throw a spanner in the works i will to your statement too. 

 

or you could buy a ps3 with a much better library and cheaper games,  with free online,  for $200.

Or you can buy a cheaper PC and strictly play older games. Since the PC was up to date in the examples, I was under the impression we were talking strictly up to date PC and consoles. The fact is that cost is usually inversly proportional to age up to a certain point.

the difference between wiiu and ps3 is significantly smaller than the jump from gaming pc to wiiu. 

True, the only difference is that if you want to be buying a lot of new games 2-3 years later, the PS3 may not be the best choice.



jigokutamago said:

True, the only difference is that if you want to be buying a lot of new games 2-3 years later, the PS3 may not be the best choice.

Can you say, hand on heart, that the WiiU definitely will be too?



Intrinsic said:
VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?

This value proposition you keep bringing up. The world doesnt work that way. Its just like when people were saying "hey for $600 you don't just get a PS3 you get the worlds cheapest blu-ray player and free online multiplayer and this or that"

People DO NOT CARE. The primary thing that the avrage consumer cares about it the sticker price. The cost of entry. Not some proverbial you save this or that much over this or that much number of years. Its like electric cars. You buy an electric for $30k today you get tax incentives of as much as $7500 on that purchase. Then you also save as much as $1k every year on gas (or lack of it so to speak). Yet you don't see them flying off the lot, cause they are still "too expensive" for the average consumer. Yes, you save more in the long run with PC gaming, but people just don't care about that. Especially when you consider that "people" here are basically the kinda people that will buy no more than 4-6 games per year and most of those games will be CoD, Madden and/or FIFA. 

 

Electric cars are still more expensive since you have to replace the batteries so often, and the performance is identical or worse to normal cars, so that's a poor comparison.

And the reason I made this thread is to show the value. I'm trying to show how cheap it can be if you look past the sticker cost. 



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Interesting topic, but let's remember why consoles are so popular while PCs decline, eh? Even though PCs have the freedom to build into many forms and prices, you need knowledge for this. People like simplicity. Console is just plug-and-play.

Even though there's a debate around 1080p/60fps nowadays, most people don't care so much and just want the games to look cool. And consoles games look very cool.

So, as long as you have to say "PC is cheaper, all you have to do is bla bla bla bla" you added a lot of explanations that the market don't want to think about. While we, the niche market, care about such details, people just want something to spend their time or let their children entertained.



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